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Who here has NVD?

Postby The Annoyed Man » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:25 pm

I'm thinking about getting a night vision device, and I have my eyes set on a PVS-14, Gen-3 or Gen-3+, but that is a LOT of money to spend, so before I do, I'd be interested in the opinions of those of you who already have some kind of NV device. The reason I'm thinking PVS-14 is that it seems very flexible to me. You can use it as a hand-held or helmet-mounted monocular, or you can mount it inline with an optic on a weapon, and it is user serviceable (except maybe for the nitrogen purging part). Optics Planet has a coupon code that's expires on the 8th - "NOPT12" - that gives you 12% off of their normally listed price. For the expensive items like a PVS-14, that's a significant savings.

But I'm open to other alternatives. The one thing I want to avoid is buying cheap Russian junk.

Ideas? Experiences? Recommendations?
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Postby Jusme » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:28 pm

Flashlight!! :biggrinjester:

Sorry no help from me, never really felt the need for any, but they are cool to look at.
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Postby Bitter Clinger » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:00 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm thinking about getting a night vision device, and I have my eyes set on a PVS-14, Gen-3 or Gen-3+, but that is a LOT of money to spend, so before I do, I'd be interested in the opinions of those of you who already have some kind of NV device. The reason I'm thinking PVS-14 is that it seems very flexible to me. You can use it as a hand-held or helmet-mounted monocular, or you can mount it inline with an optic on a weapon, and it is user serviceable (except maybe for the nitrogen purging part). Optics Planet has a coupon code that's expires on the 8th - "NOPT12" - that gives you 12% off of their normally listed price. For the expensive items like a PVS-14, that's a significant savings.

But I'm open to other alternatives. The one thing I want to avoid is buying cheap Russian junk.

Ideas? Experiences? Recommendations?


In a former life, I was involved to a limited degree with NVG manufacture. The Gen-3 is a commercial version of the infantry grade NVG's, and quite good. It is what I would buy and so I am waiting to see if prices ever come down :waiting: . I think that the ATN scopes are an interesting lower priced option and am considering one but have not jumped in yet: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... ght-optic/
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Postby The Annoyed Man » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:21 pm

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The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm thinking about getting a night vision device, and I have my eyes set on a PVS-14, Gen-3 or Gen-3+, but that is a LOT of money to spend, so before I do, I'd be interested in the opinions of those of you who already have some kind of NV device. The reason I'm thinking PVS-14 is that it seems very flexible to me. You can use it as a hand-held or helmet-mounted monocular, or you can mount it inline with an optic on a weapon, and it is user serviceable (except maybe for the nitrogen purging part). Optics Planet has a coupon code that's expires on the 8th - "NOPT12" - that gives you 12% off of their normally listed price. For the expensive items like a PVS-14, that's a significant savings.

But I'm open to other alternatives. The one thing I want to avoid is buying cheap Russian junk.

Ideas? Experiences? Recommendations?


In a former life, I was involved to a limited degree with NVG manufacture. The Gen-3 is a commercial version of the infantry grade NVG's, and quite good. It is what I would buy and so I am waiting to see if prices ever come down :waiting: . I think that the ATN scopes are an interesting lower priced option and am considering one but have not jumped in yet: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... ght-optic/

I'm looking at these two: http://www.opticsplanet.com/atn-night-vision-monocular-pvs14-3-sela.html

The first one lists at $3,499, and it comes down to $3,079 with the coupon code. The second (gen 3+) lists at $4,299, but comes down to $3,695.12 with the coupon code.

My son was involved in the industry a while back too. He worked for Black Optex. He has warned me away from some of the inexpensive units. Easy to say, it's not his money; but he says that a lot of them are made in Russia from cheap parts, and you can't get them serviced. I don't know if that would be true about that scope you linked.
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Re: Who here has NVD?

Postby Bitter Clinger » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:58 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:I'm thinking about getting a night vision device, and I have my eyes set on a PVS-14, Gen-3 or Gen-3+, but that is a LOT of money to spend, so before I do, I'd be interested in the opinions of those of you who already have some kind of NV device. The reason I'm thinking PVS-14 is that it seems very flexible to me. You can use it as a hand-held or helmet-mounted monocular, or you can mount it inline with an optic on a weapon, and it is user serviceable (except maybe for the nitrogen purging part). Optics Planet has a coupon code that's expires on the 8th - "NOPT12" - that gives you 12% off of their normally listed price. For the expensive items like a PVS-14, that's a significant savings.

But I'm open to other alternatives. The one thing I want to avoid is buying cheap Russian junk.

Ideas? Experiences? Recommendations?


In a former life, I was involved to a limited degree with NVG manufacture. The Gen-3 is a commercial version of the infantry grade NVG's, and quite good. It is what I would buy and so I am waiting to see if prices ever come down :waiting: . I think that the ATN scopes are an interesting lower priced option and am considering one but have not jumped in yet: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... ght-optic/

I'm looking at these two: http://www.opticsplanet.com/atn-night-vision-monocular-pvs14-3-sela.html

The first one lists at $3,499, and it comes down to $3,079 with the coupon code. The second (gen 3+) lists at $4,299, but comes down to $3,695.12 with the coupon code.

My son was involved in the industry a while back too. He worked for Black Optex. He has warned me away from some of the inexpensive units. Easy to say, it's not his money; but he says that a lot of them are made in Russia from cheap parts, and you can't get them serviced. I don't know if that would be true about that scope you linked.


The cheap Russian units are typically just Gen 1 versions of the photomultiplier / intensifier tube to my understanding while I believe that the ATN scope is a digital device (similar to a CCD digital camera).
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Re: Who here has NVD?

Postby jason812 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:45 am

I have a buddy that had the X sight. It works on still targets but the refresh rate is too slow to track running pigs. Also, the battery life is terrible and you need the external battery pack. The scope was too low and he used a 1/2 inch riser and upgraded the illuminator to something bigger. After all that, he got rid of it and got an ATN thermal and has shot probably 2 dozen pigs in a few months. It still needs the battery pack and riser but works a lot better than their X sight. I'm not sure about the X sight but the thermal's audio and video do not sync when you record.


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Postby mrvmax » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:21 am

I've been wanting an Armasight thermal scope (Prometheus 336) but never considered the PVS - I'll be monitoring this thread. Maybe if I can sell my Savage 12LRP setup I can get one.


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Postby eureka40 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:40 am

I've had a Sightmark for a while and it's worked well. Hard to beat for the money.

http://sightmark.com/product.php?item=256

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Re: Who here has NVD?

Postby MechAg94 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:34 am

The PVS-14 units are very good. Mine is light magnification only. It does take some practice to use it well. I have it on a helmet so I can use it walking around. However, it does shake a bit when moving so you end up going slow. It does let you see animals at a distance you would never see them in the dark. They can't see you either unless they hear you or smell you. However, if the animal is not moving, they are difficult to spot as you are basically seeing in black and white. Also, lots of bushes and shadows will make it difficult to see anything clearly. I need to practice with mine some more. I haven't used it near enough to justify the cost.

I bought mine through a separate outfit. I will try to find a link.

I also suggest looking at a cheap thermal viewer to use also. It should help you see that something is there even if it isn't good enough to let you see what it is. The light magnification will let you get clarity from there. I guess if you are using it mounted on a rifle from a stand, it would be easier.


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Re: Who here has NVD?

Postby MechAg94 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:06 am

https://tnvc.com/shop/tnvpvs-14-l3-gen3-omni-viii/
This is the outfit I bought mine from. They came recommended. I am not sure if this is the same model, but it is close.

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Postby Bitter Clinger » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:42 am

MechAg94 wrote:https://tnvc.com/shop/tnvpvs-14-l3-gen3-omni-viii/
This is the outfit I bought mine from. They came recommended. I am not sure if this is the same model, but it is close.


Goodpoint about NV only optics having limitations. Now I can wait until the thermal scopes come down in price! :tiphat:
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Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:09 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
MechAg94 wrote:https://tnvc.com/shop/tnvpvs-14-l3-gen3-omni-viii/
This is the outfit I bought mine from. They came recommended. I am not sure if this is the same model, but it is close.


Goodpoint about NV only optics having limitations. Now I can wait until the thermal scopes come down in price! :tiphat:

Yeah, I've been looking at some models of thermal sights, and have pretty much decided that's the way I'm going to go. But pricing is an issue. The ATN Gen II X-Sights are pretty affordable, but they're not in the same league either as the ATN ThOR HD line, or the competing Armalight line from FLIR. The cheapest of the ThOR line is the 1.25-5x, which runs $2,000. (https://www.atncorp.com/thermal-scope-thor-hd-384-1-25x-5x) You can get it with 5% off at OpticsPlanet right now, which brings the price down to $1,899.05 - still more expensive than my most expensive riflescope. Even so, the image quality is pretty amazing (nothing gets shot in this footage, obersved only):
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Re: Who here has NVD?

Postby SRO1911 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:26 pm

I have a few, including an atn x-sight i am about to post to some trade boards.
The clarity and function is great, but the weight and battery life do not fot with the purpose i had in mind when purchased ( going on a quick response rimfire for pest control in the chicken coop).
The pvs14 is more useable overall - but gove the lrice points to of the 2 any comparison is unfair at best - apples to onions.
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Postby philip964 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:15 pm

Stupid me. I thought it was going to be a problem the CNN and MSNBC news casters have NVD News Viral Deception, previously called "fake news"

Sorry, I'll let you get back to more interesting things I can't afford.

I'd rather have a new gun, which I can't afford either.

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Postby LucasMcCain » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:14 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:The first one lists at $3,499, and it comes down to $3,079 with the coupon code. The second (gen 3+) lists at $4,299, but comes down to $3,695.12 with the coupon code.


Sakes alive! That's more than I paid for the motorcycle I rode to work this morning! Um, the only night vision goggles I have came with the special edition of a video game. They're fun, but I'm gonna say they're not the droids you're looking for. I had no idea the real deal was so expensive. I'll add that to the list of super cool toys I'll never have. :cry:
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