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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby parabelum » Mon May 08, 2017 8:06 am

I'd love to have one, but unfortunately for us here in Texas, the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" text does not exist for shotgun definition under Texas Penal Code, to my knowledge.

So, while it would be unlikely under federal law for shockwave to be considered a short-barreled shotgun because of its pistol grip, under Texas law, it may fall under that definition.

As such, I suspect that it may fall under "short-barrel firearm", and possession without proper paperwork :yawn may result in a third degree felony charge, here in the free State of Texas.


Ah,the "shockwave" indeed...


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby beornls » Thu May 18, 2017 10:27 am

Buds Gun Shop won't ship a Shockwave to TX :(

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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby ELB » Thu May 18, 2017 11:00 am

parabelum wrote:I'd love to have one, but unfortunately for us here in Texas, the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" text does not exist for shotgun definition under Texas Penal Code, to my knowledge.

So, while it would be unlikely under federal law for shockwave to be considered a short-barreled shotgun because of its pistol grip, under Texas law, it may fall under that definition.

As such, I suspect that it may fall under "short-barrel firearm", and possession without proper paperwork :yawn may result in a third degree felony charge, here in the free State of Texas.


Ah,the "shockwave" indeed...


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby aaangel » Sun May 21, 2017 4:51 pm

my shockwave is here!
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well, sort of.....hahaha!
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Sun May 21, 2017 5:17 pm

aaangel wrote:my shockwave is here!
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well, sort of.....hahaha!
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Is that the 18 inch barrel model with a Birds head grip?
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby aaangel » Sun May 21, 2017 5:35 pm

yes sir 18inch barrel with the raptor grip
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby MrMcCullster » Sun May 21, 2017 5:50 pm

The next question is:

When does this take effect so I can place my order?

I'd like to know an estimate, because I have multiple projects that need funding, and if this is available relatively soon, it will bump to the front of the line.


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby dlh » Mon May 22, 2017 5:34 pm

Sent to the governor today. Hopefully he will sign it and it will become law. :)


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Out West » Sun May 28, 2017 9:49 pm

Follow up: my FFL didn't bat an eye and transferred the Shockwave without hesitation. Looks like the house bill is going to clear up the issue.

BTW, I shot it right after buying it - it's a total gas! Made myself a wooden rack and mounted it inside and above the closet door of our bedroom. Nice piece of security.


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby dlh » Mon May 29, 2017 11:31 am

dlh wrote:Sent to the governor today. Hopefully he will sign it and it will become law. :)


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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Jusme » Mon May 29, 2017 12:42 pm

For those who are going to purchase a Shockwave, and plan on carrying in in your vehicles, I would suggest, that you print a copy of the law, and have it with you, just in case some LEO, don't follow the Legislature as closely as we do. JMHO
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby aaangel » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:26 am

just got an email from budsgunshop. i reserved one to be ship on sep 1. :txflag:
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:36 am

Jusme wrote:For those who are going to purchase a Shockwave, and plan on carrying in in your vehicles, I would suggest, that you print a copy of the law, and have it with you, just in case some LEO, don't follow the Legislature as closely as we do. JMHO


This is not a bad idea for firearm laws in general, along with a number of other things (carrying cash on domestic flights, etc). And yes, it is VERY sad that we need to educate law enforcement agents on the law.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Jusme » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:54 am

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Jusme wrote:For those who are going to purchase a Shockwave, and plan on carrying in in your vehicles, I would suggest, that you print a copy of the law, and have it with you, just in case some LEO, don't follow the Legislature as closely as we do. JMHO


This is not a bad idea for firearm laws in general, along with a number of other things (carrying cash on domestic flights, etc). And yes, it is VERY sad that we need to educate law enforcement agents on the law.



The problem usually comes from the fact, that their is almost no follow up training for a lot of departments, after the academy. They are required to take a certain number of hours of continuing education per year, but it may not be regarding new/amended laws. There was a big push after the CHL law was passed to educate LEO, and again when Open Carry passed, but for some of these changes, they only have what they learned in the academy to fall back on. and after several years, many things can change. I suspect, that since this was added as an amendment, that their won't be widespread training, or instruction on this. Especially, in the smaller departments. I would suggest, that if confronted by a LEO, ask (politely) to speak with a supervisor, because you have a copy, of the amended statute, and the ATFE ruling. If there are no other extenuating circumstances, most LEO will not mind being educated, as long as the educator, is polite and professional. It's never good to become confrontational, during traffic stops, or any time firearms are involved. Since the majority of members here are usually very law abiding, and non-confrontational, anyway, I know I am preaching to the choir. and the odds of this even being an issue, are very small.
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Re: Mossberg Shockwave

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:22 am

Jusme wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Jusme wrote:For those who are going to purchase a Shockwave, and plan on carrying in in your vehicles, I would suggest, that you print a copy of the law, and have it with you, just in case some LEO, don't follow the Legislature as closely as we do. JMHO


This is not a bad idea for firearm laws in general, along with a number of other things (carrying cash on domestic flights, etc). And yes, it is VERY sad that we need to educate law enforcement agents on the law.



The problem usually comes from the fact, that their is almost no follow up training for a lot of departments, after the academy. They are required to take a certain number of hours of continuing education per year, but it may not be regarding new/amended laws. There was a big push after the CHL law was passed to educate LEO, and again when Open Carry passed, but for some of these changes, they only have what they learned in the academy to fall back on. and after several years, many things can change. I suspect, that since this was added as an amendment, that their won't be widespread training, or instruction on this. Especially, in the smaller departments. I would suggest, that if confronted by a LEO, ask (politely) to speak with a supervisor, because you have a copy, of the amended statute, and the ATFE ruling. If there are no other extenuating circumstances, most LEO will not mind being educated, as long as the educator, is polite and professional. It's never good to become confrontational, during traffic stops, or any time firearms are involved. Since the majority of members here are usually very law abiding, and non-confrontational, anyway, I know I am preaching to the choir. and the odds of this even being an issue, are very small.


I completely agree with you. I firmly believe that it is best to be calm, respectful, cordial, and deferential when dealing with LEO's. That is something I recently discussed with my daughter since she just started driving a year ago.

When laws change, and officers do not encounter the situation frequently (such as with CC and OC), it is understandable that a specific LEO officer might not be aware of the change, and someone might end up "taking a ride" due to this lake of awareness on the part of the officer. Hopefully, when that happens, the LEO and their agency are overly apologetic in trying to make up for the harm they mistakenly caused.

But in cases where the law might just be unclear, such as this situation, I would hope that a LEO would start with the fact that (almost) everything is legal until or unless a law is passed making it illegal. Following that logic, if the LEO does not know of a law that definitely makes something illegal, they should assume it is legal. Maybe escalate to a supervisor if unsure, but definitely not make an arrest unless they have a high level of certainty that the thing is actually illegal. It just seems to me that the presumption is backwards in a lot of cases, where officers err on the side of illegality.

So yes, be courteous, respectful, calm, and deferential when you encounter a LEO. Yes, it is a good idea to carry documentation of the actual laws covering any behavior that could possibly be mistaken as being illegal. And yes, it is sad that you need to do this (carry the documentation).
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