.44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

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.44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby AndyC » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:29 pm

From Mack Bolan to Dirty Harry.... anyway, I've put myself on the list for one:

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Postby John Galt » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:59 pm

How does the ammo compare to 44 mag revolver ammo?

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Postby SRO1911 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:16 pm

I've got a bucket of brass around here somewhere, fun guns for sure.

Making brass is interesting- it uses a 308 base case, I used to use all my random range pick ups just for novelty..308, 243, 260, 30-06, 270, etc - different headstamp for different loads
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Postby C-dub » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:27 pm

John Galt wrote:How does the ammo compare to 44 mag revolver ammo?

It's not the same stuff?
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Postby Vol Texan » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:48 pm

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John Galt wrote:How does the ammo compare to 44 mag revolver ammo?

It's not the same stuff?


Revolver ammo (in general) has a rim that is wider than the casing to hold the cartridge in place within the rotating cylinder (prevents it from falling through the hole). Semi-auto ammo (in general) is not rimmed wider than the casing. Rather, it has an extractor groove. That groove gives an appearance of a rim behind it, but the rim is often the same diameter as the rest of the casing.

So, in theory, the ammo for the semi-auto would fall through the holes in the cylinder of a similarly-sized revolver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_(firearms)
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Postby John Galt » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:08 pm

I have many years of shooting and reloading 44 mag revolver in my Smith 29.
I am asking about the power comparison and pricing. I will imagine that pricing is much higher than revolver ammo.


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Postby SRO1911 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:42 pm

The two are close enough to not matter, although the automag can be a bit more fickle - Mine was a wildey, which has an adjustable gas system so it can tolerate a wider range of loading styles.

Brass is simple, if you have the right tools. you cut rifle brass to length then turn the INSIDE to the correct diameter.
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Postby oohrah » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:55 pm

Wasn't that the homemade round in the Beverly Hills Cop II movie, that was evidence that led Axel to the gun range?
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oohrah wrote:Wasn't that the homemade round in the Beverly Hills Cop II movie, that was evidence that led Axel to the gun range?

I believe you're right, yes.

SRO1911 wrote:I used to use all my random range pick ups just for novelty..308, 243, 260, 30-06, 270, etc - different headstamp for different loads

I know about making brass from .308/270/etc - but that's a cool idea! :cheers2:

John Galt wrote:I have many years of shooting and reloading 44 mag revolver in my Smith 29.
I am asking about the power comparison and pricing. I will imagine that pricing is much higher than revolver ammo.

You're quite right - economies of scale and all that. However:

We have worked with Starline Brass to produce a run of 100,000 cases for the .44 amp cartridge. We are also in discussions with several ammunition manufacturers to start a line of .44 amp ammunition. We have entered in an agreement with SBR Ammunition of Brunswick Georgia to produce ammunition for the Auto Mag. We will endeavor to make ammunition and reloading components available at reasonable prices. We understand reasonably priced ammunition and reloading components will be a factor considered by potential purchases when deciding to buy a new Auto Mag. After all, what fun will a new Auto Mag be if you can’t fire it.


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Re: .44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby C-dub » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:02 pm

Vol Texan wrote:
C-dub wrote:
John Galt wrote:How does the ammo compare to 44 mag revolver ammo?

It's not the same stuff?


Revolver ammo (in general) has a rim that is wider than the casing to hold the cartridge in place within the rotating cylinder (prevents it from falling through the hole). Semi-auto ammo (in general) is not rimmed wider than the casing. Rather, it has an extractor groove. That groove gives an appearance of a rim behind it, but the rim is often the same diameter as the rest of the casing.

So, in theory, the ammo for the semi-auto would fall through the holes in the cylinder of a similarly-sized revolver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_(firearms)

Okay, cool. Thanks.

FYI, and I guess everyone, I have a .44mag revolver and a .44mag Henry. The same ammo works well in both and cycles without any issues in the Henry. So, I guess the regular WWB .44mag ammo that I get at Wallyworld works okay with an extractor that the Henry uses.

P.S. It hurts more when shooting it from the revolver, but I'm guessing everyone already knew that. :biggrinjester:
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Re: .44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby rotor » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:04 pm

AndyC wrote:
oohrah wrote:Wasn't that the homemade round in the Beverly Hills Cop II movie, that was evidence that led Axel to the gun range?

I believe you're right, yes.

SRO1911 wrote:I used to use all my random range pick ups just for novelty..308, 243, 260, 30-06, 270, etc - different headstamp for different loads

I know about making brass from .308/270/etc - but that's a cool idea! :cheers2:

John Galt wrote:I have many years of shooting and reloading 44 mag revolver in my Smith 29.
I am asking about the power comparison and pricing. I will imagine that pricing is much higher than revolver ammo.

You're quite right - economies of scale and all that. However:

We have worked with Starline Brass to produce a run of 100,000 cases for the .44 amp cartridge. We are also in discussions with several ammunition manufacturers to start a line of .44 amp ammunition. We have entered in an agreement with SBR Ammunition of Brunswick Georgia to produce ammunition for the Auto Mag. We will endeavor to make ammunition and reloading components available at reasonable prices. We understand reasonably priced ammunition and reloading components will be a factor considered by potential purchases when deciding to buy a new Auto Mag. After all, what fun will a new Auto Mag be if you can’t fire it.


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Re: .44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby threoh8 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:11 am

I've always liked the looks of the Automag.

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Re: .44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby mrvmax » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:27 am

I sold a few of Excel Arms 22mag pistols, it was a neat concept so I bought one a while back. Out of the box it couldn't make it through one magazine without a failure to feed or failure to extract. I sent it to them for warranty work, they sent it back with specific info on loading and ammo to use (I was already following that) and said it was fixed. I took it out and it still couldn't make it through one mag so I sent it back (which costs me about $35 for shipping each time). They send it back once again and state it's fixed. I find out it's not and nothing has changed with functioning since I first fired it. It sat in my safe for a while then I took the Dremel to it to polish the feed ramp and other areas and finally got it working.
Needless to say I am not impressed with Excel and don't trust their quality control.


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Re: .44 AutoMag being reborn - JD Jones

Postby flechero » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:41 am

AndyC wrote: I've put myself on the list for one:
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Pretty cool! What is the expected wait/ETA?


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