Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Gun, shooting and equipment discussions unrelated to CHL issues

Moderator: carlson1

User avatar

Topic author
C-dub
Senior Member
Posts: 11882
Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 7:18 pm
Location: DFW

Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby C-dub » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:23 pm

My dad recently past away out of state and did not have his firearms specifically listed as part of a will to whom he would bequeath them. Something that I'll get taken care of for myself as soon as possible, although not as big of an issue since anyone I would leave them to is still in Texas. My mom doesn't want to keep any of them, but she does want to move back to Texas ASAP. I'm thinking this might happen as soon as before the end of this year. So, that may simplify my questions.

I spoke with GrabaGun and they can handle the transfers and AFAIK for a reasonable price. $15 for the first gun and $5/each for each additional gun. The part I'm a little fuzzy on is that they say I need to take them to an FFL in the other state so that FFL could have them shipped to Texas. My questions are as follows.

1. I thought I could transport them myself and bring them all to an FFL here to do the 4473 form(s) for the legal transfers.

2. Since I can buy a long gun out of state, do the 4473 form there, and then take possession of it there, why would I need to do that twice in this situation?

3. If #2 is true do I still need to do it twice for handguns or is that just GaGs policy?

4. Could I be misunderstanding what I think I was told by GaG?

5. Would it all be easier if I just waited until my mom moved back to Texas where she could just give them to me without having to do any paperwork? I will be going back up there in July and thought I'd bring them back with me then. She could be ready to move back before the end of the year, but it also might not happen until next spring.
I am not and have never been a LEO. My avatar is in honor of my friend, Dallas Police Sargent Michael Smith, who was murdered along with four other officers in Dallas on 7.7.2016.

NRA Patriot-Endowment Lifetime Member

User avatar

carlson1
Moderator
Posts: 9306
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:11 am

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby carlson1 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:28 pm

I would wait until your Mom moved back. That is easy and no money involved.

You don’t have to have a FFL to ship to another FFL, but many FFL have that as a policy. It is not law.
Image


Soccerdad1995
Senior Member
Posts: 3128
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:03 pm

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:31 pm

There could be additional state laws depending on the state your mom is located in.

As far as the federal law goes, I do not believe that you need to have it shipped from an FFL, it just needs to be shipped to an FFL in the receiving state. See https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/0501-firearms-top-10-qaspdf/download

7. May I lawfully ship a firearm directly to an out-of-State licensee, or must I have a licensee in my State ship it to him? May the licensee return the firearm to me, even if the shipment is across State lines?
Any person may ship firearms directly to a licensee in any State, with no requirement for another licensee to ship the firearm. However, handguns are not mailable through the United States Postal Service and must be shipped via common or contract carrier.(18 U.S.C. §§ 1715). Firearms shipped to FFLs for repair or any other lawful purpose may be returned to the person from whom received without transferring the firearm through an FFL in the recipient’s State of residence. FFLs may also return a replacement firearm of the same kind and type to the person from whom received. 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(2)(A).
Ding dong, the witch is dead


Soccerdad1995
Senior Member
Posts: 3128
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:03 pm

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:34 pm

One other thing. Take a look at [url]Shipmygun.com[/url]. It's a firearm shipping service owned by Bud's gun shop. They make it super easy, and the shipping cost is very reasonable. I believe the shipment uses Bud's FFL license. If an FFL accepts transfers of guns that are bought on Bud's, then you will have no issues using this service.
Ding dong, the witch is dead

User avatar

Scott B.
Senior Member
Posts: 962
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:46 am
Location: Harris County

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby Scott B. » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:32 pm

You're dad's guns are really their guns as long as they were still married at the time of his passing. You could move them with any of her things that are coming here to Texas.

She can also send any of her guns to herself here in Texas.

"Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where
he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to
the owner “in the care of” the out of State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than
the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm. "

Now, an FFL can save you money on shipping over shipping yourself, but then they'd need to be logged in to the shipper's books and out to the receiving FFL here in Texas.

If you have an FFL that you deal with semi-regularly, see if they'll work you some kind of deal. I know I would if you were one of my customers.
LTC Instructor. NRA - Instructor, RSO, Life Member.
Sig armorer | FFL 07/02 SOT


rm9792
Senior Member
Posts: 2156
Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:07 pm

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby rm9792 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:38 pm

Why are you even bothering with transfers? There is no "registry" and Texas doesn't care. How is it any different than buying from a private seller as no 4473 is done then?

User avatar

Topic author
C-dub
Senior Member
Posts: 11882
Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 7:18 pm
Location: DFW

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby C-dub » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:48 pm

rm9792 wrote:Why are you even bothering with transfers? There is no "registry" and Texas doesn't care. How is it any different than buying from a private seller as no 4473 is done then?

Because for now my mom still lives in another state.

It didn’t occur to me until I was typing my initial post, but waiting until she moved back here may be the easiest way to go about this.
I am not and have never been a LEO. My avatar is in honor of my friend, Dallas Police Sargent Michael Smith, who was murdered along with four other officers in Dallas on 7.7.2016.

NRA Patriot-Endowment Lifetime Member


mrvmax
Senior Member
Posts: 1546
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:16 pm
Location: Friendswood
Contact:

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby mrvmax » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:05 pm

C-dub wrote:
rm9792 wrote:Why are you even bothering with transfers? There is no "registry" and Texas doesn't care. How is it any different than buying from a private seller as no 4473 is done then?

Because for now my mom still lives in another state.

It didn’t occur to me until I was typing my initial post, but waiting until she moved back here may be the easiest way to go about this.

I would say you don’t need an FFL. The easiest way is to have her bring them with her here but you could get them. You would need to check state laws where she currently resides. This explains it some:
https://johnpierceesq.com/what-to-do-if ... her-state/


SigM4
Senior Member
Posts: 555
Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:14 am
Location: Willow Park

Re: Sorry - but I have to confirm regarding transfers.

Postby SigM4 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:19 pm

Just wait till you move her to Texas and then she can simply give the guns to you. No fuss no transfer.

Also, even before then there’s nothing stopping her from “lending” the guns to you prior to her move back. Unless she lives in a state like WA that requires a transfer anytime someone new handles the gun (a very slight exaggeration), you should be good to go till her official residence is Texas.

As an aside, if wanted to actually transfer them prior to her move, so long as she accompanies you you can transport them back to Texas and she can transfer them to you in person at the FFL’s (technically she’s transferring to the FFL in person, and then the FFL transfers to you). I did this with a gun I sold to a guy in KS when I travelled up there for business.
Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.


Return to “General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Yahoo [Bot] and 16 guests