Daniel Defense - Friend or Foe
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Re: Daniel Defense - Friend or Foe
Is there any person or company with whom you agree with on 100% of the issues and decisions? If not, does that make everyone and all companies a foe? Does a husband and wife have to agree 100% at all times in order to not be foes?
I just find it hard to categorize a company with the product line of Daniel Defense as anti-gun or anti-2nd Amendment.
I just find it hard to categorize a company with the product line of Daniel Defense as anti-gun or anti-2nd Amendment.
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You would think that, but when their actions tend to line with pro gun control groups, it does make you think... I mean, one of the things that the March for Our Lives kids are demanding is that the age to purchase an "assault weapon" would be raised to 21. Seems like DD supports this idea by turning away 18 yr olds at their boot at the NRA convention.mojo84 wrote:Is there any person or company with whom you agree with on 100% of the issues and decisions? If not, does that make everyone and all companies a foe? Does a husband and wife have to agree 100% at all times in order to not be foes?
I just find it hard to categorize a company with the product line of Daniel Defense as anti-gun or anti-2nd Amendment.
Would you think Dick's Sporting Goods would have done what they have done lately?
You don't think that it is a bad business decision to tell a consumer who could legally purchase your product that they can not participate in your marketing campaign at an industry trade show? Is it smart to alienate consumers of your product when they first reach legal age to buy your product?
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Let me put it this way... The March For Our Lives kids are saying you are either for us, or against us. My son is of that age group, a registered voter, and is against them... However, if he is pushed away by the very gun community that he supports, why should he continue to support it?
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So what stops a father from purchasing his 18yo son an AR? Absolutely Nothing! When my son was 13yo he had my Rock River AR in his room for when I was on duty for 24hrs, I never worried about it for one second, this would go back to properly raising your kids!
Because of one lunatic that had no proper upbringing, a truly faulty school administration, a deeply flawed sheriffs office and an idiotic Presidential initiative they are preventing legal adults from purchasing a legal Firearm!
Because of one lunatic that had no proper upbringing, a truly faulty school administration, a deeply flawed sheriffs office and an idiotic Presidential initiative they are preventing legal adults from purchasing a legal Firearm!
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And Florida and Vermont.cyphertext wrote:No other vendor that had drawings for rifles had that issue. And per the data at Giffords Law Center, only Hawaii and Illinois require you to be 21 to purchase a rifle.skeathley wrote:I believe in some states one has to be 21 to buy a rifle, just not in Texas. There were people at NRAAM from all over. That might be the reason for that policy.
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Not per that website... Florida says 18 to purchase long gun, Vermont says 16.ScottDLS wrote:And Florida and Vermont.cyphertext wrote:No other vendor that had drawings for rifles had that issue. And per the data at Giffords Law Center, only Hawaii and Illinois require you to be 21 to purchase a rifle.skeathley wrote:I believe in some states one has to be 21 to buy a rifle, just not in Texas. There were people at NRAAM from all over. That might be the reason for that policy.
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Both Florida and Vermont just passed new laws limiting all gun purchases to 21 and over.cyphertext wrote:Not per that website... Florida says 18 to purchase long gun, Vermont says 16.ScottDLS wrote:And Florida and Vermont.cyphertext wrote:No other vendor that had drawings for rifles had that issue. And per the data at Giffords Law Center, only Hawaii and Illinois require you to be 21 to purchase a rifle.skeathley wrote:I believe in some states one has to be 21 to buy a rifle, just not in Texas. There were people at NRAAM from all over. That might be the reason for that policy.
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/ ... age/#state
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Hmmm, didn't realize they had passed... Still seems like DD supports those measures, as they simply could state in the terms and conditions that the winner had to be eligible to have the firearm transferred to him in accordance with state and local laws.Pawpaw wrote:Both Florida and Vermont just passed new laws limiting all gun purchases to 21 and over.cyphertext wrote:Not per that website... Florida says 18 to purchase long gun, Vermont says 16.ScottDLS wrote:And Florida and Vermont.cyphertext wrote:No other vendor that had drawings for rifles had that issue. And per the data at Giffords Law Center, only Hawaii and Illinois require you to be 21 to purchase a rifle.skeathley wrote:I believe in some states one has to be 21 to buy a rifle, just not in Texas. There were people at NRAAM from all over. That might be the reason for that policy.
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We are in a war for our civil rights. This is not a time for politicians, companies, or individuals to be cute or vague. You are truly either with us or against us.
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Rather then guess and wonder, you just should have asked. Then your post would have been much more (or less) interesting.cyphertext wrote:Started to, but my son said forget it... didn't want to waste his time at the convention. But not sure that there is a valid why when every other booth let him sign up for the drawings for long guns. He just couldn't sign up for the handguns because of his age and their inability to transfer to him.C-dub wrote:And you didn't ask them why?
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No, shouldn't have to ask... Person who is of legal age to purchase the firearm should be able to participate in the vendor marketing at a 2A convention... anything else should be unacceptable!rotor wrote:Rather then guess and wonder, you just should have asked. Then your post would have been much more (or less) interesting.cyphertext wrote:Started to, but my son said forget it... didn't want to waste his time at the convention. But not sure that there is a valid why when every other booth let him sign up for the drawings for long guns. He just couldn't sign up for the handguns because of his age and their inability to transfer to him.C-dub wrote:And you didn't ask them why?
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If they didn't let anybody over 60 enter, I wonder if there would be as many people here defending the policy.
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Obviously we are not dealing with YETI or Dick's. Had you just asked you might have walked away with a good answer. Or perhaps not. Many people at the convention are from states that don't allow rifles to under 21. That seems most plausible to me. Better than defaming the company.cyphertext wrote:No, shouldn't have to ask... Person who is of legal age to purchase the firearm should be able to participate in the vendor marketing at a 2A convention... anything else should be unacceptable!rotor wrote:Rather then guess and wonder, you just should have asked. Then your post would have been much more (or less) interesting.cyphertext wrote:Started to, but my son said forget it... didn't want to waste his time at the convention. But not sure that there is a valid why when every other booth let him sign up for the drawings for long guns. He just couldn't sign up for the handguns because of his age and their inability to transfer to him.C-dub wrote:And you didn't ask them why?
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There's a difference between defending them and not condemning them based on one particular incident. One can disagree with a decision without defaulting to classifying them a foe.spectre wrote:If they didn't let anybody over 60 enter, I wonder if there would be as many people here defending the policy.
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Four states have requirements to be 21 to purchase rifles... that means 46, or 92% do not. I'm not defaming them... I am telling what they did at the convention, and they have done other questionable things regarding 2A support in the past. Again, there is not a "good answer" for turning away a person who could legally purchase your product.rotor wrote:Obviously we are not dealing with YETI or Dick's. Had you just asked you might have walked away with a good answer. Or perhaps not. Many people at the convention are from states that don't allow rifles to under 21. That seems most plausible to me. Better than defaming the company.cyphertext wrote:No, shouldn't have to ask... Person who is of legal age to purchase the firearm should be able to participate in the vendor marketing at a 2A convention... anything else should be unacceptable!rotor wrote:Rather then guess and wonder, you just should have asked. Then your post would have been much more (or less) interesting.cyphertext wrote:Started to, but my son said forget it... didn't want to waste his time at the convention. But not sure that there is a valid why when every other booth let him sign up for the drawings for long guns. He just couldn't sign up for the handguns because of his age and their inability to transfer to him.C-dub wrote:And you didn't ask them why?
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