GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

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GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby ELB » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:17 am

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/688535.pdf

GAO agents attempted to purchase firearms from Dark Web and Surface Web marketplaces. Agents made seven attempts to purchase firearms on the Dark Web. In these attempts, agents did not disclose any information about whether they were prohibited from possessing a firearm. Of these seven attempts, two on a Dark Web marketplace were successful. Specifically, GAO agents purchased and received an AR-15 rifle and an Uzi that the seller said was modified so that it would fire automatically. GAO provided referral letters to applicable law-enforcement agencies for these purchases to inform any ongoing investigations.

Tests performed on the Surface Web demonstrated that private sellers GAO contacted on gun forums and other classified ads were unwilling to sell a firearm to an individual who appeared to be prohibited from possessing a firearm. Of the 72 attempts agents made to purchase firearms on the Surface Web, 56 sellers refused to complete a transaction: 29 sellers stated they would not ship a firearm and 27 refused after the disclosure of the undercover identities’ stated prohibited status. Furthermore, in 5 of these 72 attempts, the accounts GAO set up were frozen by the websites, which prevented the agents from using the forums and attempting to make a purchase.


Cliff's' notes: GAO tried 72 times to buy firearms on the normal internet using scenarios that would reveal prohibited person information and everyone of them failed.

The GAO also got scammed twice on the "Surface Web", sending $$ but receiving no firearm.
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:00 pm

So the takeaway here is that there is no "gun show loophole" and private gun sellers have enough ethics and common sense to avoid selling guns to criminals.

I'm gonna guess that if this gets any air play at all in the MSM, the tag line will be slightly different...
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby allisji » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:15 pm

but but but, it's easier in inner city Chicago to get a glock than a library book.
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:22 pm

allisji wrote:but but but, it's easier in inner city Chicago to get a glock than a library book.


In the inner city of Chicago you might need a Glock to safely walk to the library, so there actually could be some truth to that. Although I don't think your average street criminal is going to go with a Glock when there are other, cheaper options out there. The accuracy and reliability difference between a Glock and a Hi-point is not all that great when you are holding it sideways in one hand while you use the other hand to hold your pants up. Plus just think about all the crack they can buy with the money they save.
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby bblhd672 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:32 pm

Wonder why the report is addressed to Democrats Cummings, Schatz and Warren, but not to any Republicans? Did these three initiate an investigation by the GAO in an attempt to further their agenda? Do the Democrats once again look like fools? (Answer to last one is definitely yes)
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby ELB » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:46 pm

bblhd672 wrote:Wonder why the report is addressed to Democrats Cummings, Schatz and Warren, but not to any Republicans? Did these three initiate an investigation by the GAO in an attempt to further their agenda? Do the Democrats once again look like fools? (Answer to last one is definitely yes)


Yes, they requested the report from the GAO.
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby rotor » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:25 pm

On page 29 of the report one of the crooks had been an FBI agent. For all of his criminal activities he only got 2 years in prison.


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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby Scott Farkus » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:34 pm

GAO = Government Accounting Office, correct? Why are they doing undercover stings related to firearm purchases? If anybody is going to do this, shouldn't it be BATF or maybe some division within the FBI?

edit: Oops, never mind. I just opened the report and GAO = Government Accountability Office, not Accounting. Still not quite sure what their jurisdiction is over this but apparently it's under the pretext of monitoring ATF's effectiveness in enforcing.... what exactly?
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby BBYC » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:38 pm

It sounds like the legitimate sellers are following the law.

It's no surprise they could illegally buy guns in the same online blackmarketplaces where you can illegally buy heroin and stolen identities, hire a hit man, and so on if you pay with Bitcoin.
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby JustSomeOldGuy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:39 pm

I'm pretty sure the GAO agent does not have a class 3 tax stamp. Can we get him arrested for illegal possession of a class 3 item (that converted uzi)? :evil2:
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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby treadlightly » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:59 pm

Hooray for us, the law-abiding majority of gun enthusiasts.

They probably missed another point. I imagine if it gets out a gun dealer will make shady deals, he'll lose his law-abiding market. I know I wouldn't have anything to do with an iffy gun shop, and it's not just because I've turned into a hand-wringing prude. It's a risk.

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Re: GAO: Study on Attempts to buy guns on internet

Postby ELB » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:51 pm

Scott Farkus wrote:GAO = Government Accounting Office, correct? Why are they doing undercover stings related to firearm purchases? If anybody is going to do this, shouldn't it be BATF or maybe some division within the FBI?

edit: Oops, never mind. I just opened the report and GAO = Government Accountability Office, not Accounting. Still not quite sure what their jurisdiction is over this but apparently it's under the pretext of monitoring ATF's effectiveness in enforcing.... what exactly?


From report:
Congressional requesters asked that GAO assess the extent to which ATF is enforcing existing laws and investigate whether online private sellers sell firearms to people who are not allowed or eligible to possess a firearm.


ATF enforcement was one question. The other was seeing if private sellers will sell to prohibited persons. That second question got a solid answer.
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