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IDPA Divisions & Pistols

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:57 pm

We use an automated registration for the IDPA matches at PSC. One of the fields requires shooters to give their Division and it lists the various ones. I also have an "I don't know" option for people who need it. When they select this option, another field appears so they can list the gun they are shooting. I use this information to put them in the correct Division. My thought was that new shooters would use that option once, but from then on they would know their Division. I was wrong because a lot of shooter choose that option every single match!

I'm putting together a list of Divisions, the criteria for each, and a list of commonly used guns that fit in each Division. This list would pop up if people select the "I don't know" option. I would like your input for guns you folks see in IDPA matches. I'm not trying to place every single gun ever made into its Division. For example, I don't need to list Broomhandle Mausers in ESP. I know most of the more common guns we see, but there are others used with which I'm not familiar. (Ex. H&K series pistols.)

If you have any suggestions to be included, please post them in this thread. If there are several iterations in a series that fit into the same Division, like the entire M&P series except for .45ACP, please list them as "M&P series other than .45ACP." When the list is complete, I'll make it available for downloading.

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:25 pm

Pretty sure that you did not make the rules for the PCC Division, however I found myself wondering why the barrel length and magazine restrictions?

For example, I have a 9mm SIG MPX SBR (built from a pistol) with an 8' bbl and it handles factory standard 30 round mags... :headscratch

Pistol Caliber Carbine Division (PCC):
1. Semi-automatic;
2. Caliber: 9mm (9X19); 357 Sig; .40S&S&W; 10mm, and .45ACP;
3. Designed to be fired from the shoulder and have a butt stock installed
4. Barrel: minimum length is 10”;
5. Maximum magazine capacity: 10 rounds (+ 1 on chamber).

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:58 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:Pretty sure that you did not make the rules for the PCC Division, however I found myself wondering why the barrel length and magazine restrictions?

For example, I have a 9mm SIG MPX SBR (built from a pistol) with an 8' bbl and it handles factory standard 30 round mags... :headscratch

Pistol Caliber Carbine Division (PCC):
1. Semi-automatic;
2. Caliber: 9mm (9X19); 357 Sig; .40S&S&W; 10mm, and .45ACP;
3. Designed to be fired from the shoulder and have a butt stock installed
4. Barrel: minimum length is 10”;
5. Maximum magazine capacity: 10 rounds (+ 1 on chamber).

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You're right, I had nothing to do with the rules! If I were asked to amend the IDPA rules, I'd start with a match and lighter fluid.

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Post by Skiprr » Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:24 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:You're right, I had nothing to do with the rules! If I were asked to amend the IDPA rules, I'd start with a match and lighter fluid.
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Post by Scott Murray » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:56 pm

Hi Charles,

You show DA/SA Sigs as being ESP. They can certainly be used in that Division, but most of us would use them in SSP.

That DA/SA is considered "Double Action" for this purpose is shown in 8.2.1.2.1 of the rule book.


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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:05 pm

Scott Murray wrote:Hi Charles,

You show DA/SA Sigs as being ESP. They can certainly be used in that Division, but most of us would use them in SSP.

That DA/SA is considered "Double Action" for this purpose is shown in 8.2.1.2.1 of the rule book.


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I agree, but all of the descriptions are directly from the IDPA rules. I'm trying to put together a list of pistol in each Division.

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Post by extremist » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:07 pm

Here's a cut from my years of experience as an MD:

SSP - Glock 19/17/34, M&P 4", Pro, L, Walther P99/PPQ 4" and 5", HK VP9/USP, Springfield XD and XDm 4-5", CZ 75/SP01 (Not Target), Ruger SR9 are most common in my experience.
ESP - 1911 9mm variants Commander/Full, Glocks/M&Ps/XD/XDms with added magwells, 2011 variants, CZ 75 SA/SP01s, most common
CDP - 1911 Full mostly, with some plastics filling in XDm 45 and Glock 21/41. Sometimes an H&K 45 or USP.
Rev - S&W 66/586/686, Ruger SP101/Security Six, typically
BUG (2016) - Glock 26/42/43, CZ P01, Walther CCP/P99C/PPS, Springfield XDS/XD/XDm Compact, M&P Shield/Compact, Ruger LC9, Kahr PM9/CM9
CCP (2016) - Glock 19 dominates, CZ P01, Walther CCP/PPQ, XDm Compact, Ruger SR9C, M&P Compact

Good start.

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:44 pm

extremist wrote:Here's a cut from my years of experience as an MD:

SSP - Glock 19/17/34, M&P 4", Pro, L, Walther P99/PPQ 4" and 5", HK VP9/USP, Springfield XD and XDm 4-5", CZ 75/SP01 (Not Target), Ruger SR9 are most common in my experience.
ESP - 1911 9mm variants Commander/Full, Glocks/M&Ps/XD/XDms with added magwells, 2011 variants, CZ 75 SA/SP01s, most common
CDP - 1911 Full mostly, with some plastics filling in XDm 45 and Glock 21/41. Sometimes an H&K 45 or USP.
Rev - S&W 66/586/686, Ruger SP101/Security Six, typically
BUG (2016) - Glock 26/42/43, CZ P01, Walther CCP/P99C/PPS, Springfield XDS/XD/XDm Compact, M&P Shield/Compact, Ruger LC9, Kahr PM9/CM9
CCP (2016) - Glock 19 dominates, CZ P01, Walther CCP/PPQ, XDm Compact, Ruger SR9C, M&P Compact

Good start.

James
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Post by DanD » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:08 am

The finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook was recently released. They changed the BUG size and weight limits again so the S&W Shield would not be excluded.

Here is a podcast from Tactical Triangle about the IDPA 2017 rule changes that also includes a written summary.
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Post by DanD » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:59 am

The 2017 IDPA Rulebook has been updated yet again. Here is a link to the version 2017.2 rulebook: http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/4sig5pxx.mr1.pdf
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Post by gwashorn » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:06 pm

Thanks![/quote]
You're right, I had nothing to do with the rules! If I were asked to amend the IDPA rules, I'd start with a match and lighter fluid.

Chas.[/quote]

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