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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby MeMelYup » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:39 am

C-dub wrote:What is the Texas Concealed Weapons Act anyway?

It's the law that was passed making concealed carry legal in the State of Texas.

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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby C-dub » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:26 pm

MeMelYup wrote:
C-dub wrote:What is the Texas Concealed Weapons Act anyway?

It's the law that was passed making concealed carry legal in the State of Texas.

Darn it, I forgot the little winking smilie. Sorry.

And I'm glad I didn't miss some other law named concealed weapons act. We've had this for 20 years now. You'd think they'd get a clue as to what it is called.
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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby MeMelYup » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:10 pm

C-dub wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:
C-dub wrote:What is the Texas Concealed Weapons Act anyway?

It's the law that was passed making concealed carry legal in the State of Texas.

Darn it, I forgot the little winking smilie. Sorry.

And I'm glad I didn't miss some other law named concealed weapons act. We've had this for 20 years now. You'd think they'd get a clue as to what it is called.

Actually it is called "The Concealed Handgun Licensing Act."


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby JKTex » Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:45 pm

Can someone point to where those terms are used? :rules:


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby MeMelYup » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:38 am

JKTex wrote:Can someone point to where those terms are used? :rules:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/GV/4/B/411/H
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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Freedommachine » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:38 pm

Hate to bring this thread back from the dead lol but I am curious about 30.07. Does the sign have to be posted? A friend of mine told me his job does not have it posted and instead security has been instructed to give a flyer with the 30.07 verbiage on it and to instruct the person to go outside and conceal their firearm. I understand they have the right to ask you to leave if they don't want you carrying in their business but is this incorrect usage of the 30.07? :headscratch

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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Pawpaw » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:35 pm

Freedommachine wrote:Hate to bring this thread back from the dead lol but I am curious about 30.07. Does the sign have to be posted? A friend of mine told me his job does not have it posted and instead security has been instructed to give a flyer with the 30.07 verbiage on it and to instruct the person to go outside and conceal their firearm. I understand they have the right to ask you to leave if they don't want you carrying in their business but is this incorrect usage of the 30.07? :headscratch

Handing out a flyer is perfectly acceptable:

PC §30.07 wrote:PC §30.07. TRESPASS BY LICENSE HOLDER WITH AN OPENLY CARRIED HANDGUN.
Text of section effective on Jan. 1, 2016
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) openly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that entry on the property by a license holder openly carrying a handgun was forbidden.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.07, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is carried openly”;
or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public at each entrance to the property.
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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:31 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
Freedommachine wrote:Hate to bring this thread back from the dead lol but I am curious about 30.07. Does the sign have to be posted? A friend of mine told me his job does not have it posted and instead security has been instructed to give a flyer with the 30.07 verbiage on it and to instruct the person to go outside and conceal their firearm. I understand they have the right to ask you to leave if they don't want you carrying in their business but is this incorrect usage of the 30.07? :headscratch

Handing out a flyer is perfectly acceptable:

PC §30.07 wrote:PC §30.07. TRESPASS BY LICENSE HOLDER WITH AN OPENLY CARRIED HANDGUN.
Text of section effective on Jan. 1, 2016
(a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) openly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that entry on the property by a license holder openly carrying a handgun was forbidden.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.07, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is carried openly”;
or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public at each entrance to the property.


Not acceptable if the patron doesn't take the flyer. Maybe I have been to Vegas one time too many, but I generally do not take unsolicited things that people are trying to hand me. For OC, this doesn't really matter as they would just tell you to leave jupon seeing a gun, but if it were 30.06 it would matter.
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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Freedommachine » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:30 am

Thanks guys, I was just curious as it seems counter intuitive to not just post the sign at the door so they don't even come in the building.


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby AnglinTexas » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:19 am

Freedommachine wrote:Thanks guys, I was just curious as it seems counter intuitive to not just post the sign at the door so they don't even come in the building.


The proper signs take up a lot of space, and cost more than flyers. It makes more sense for many to just use the flyer or verbal notification method. It might be different if the vast majority of LTC holders were open carrying.


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby MeMelYup » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:48 am

Unless it was some place I had to go (like a hospital), if they handed me a flyer, I would think they didn't want my business. If they utilized a sign I would see it before I entered and could prepare.


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Freedommachine » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:33 pm

MeMelYup wrote:Unless it was some place I had to go (like a hospital), if they handed me a flyer, I would think they didn't want my business. If they utilized a sign I would see it before I entered and could prepare.

My point exactly.


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby shooter_tx » Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:38 pm

pbwalker wrote:There seems to be quite a bit of confusion around the signs.

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YES YOU CAN CARRY - This is a "Gunbusters" sign...ignore it.

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NO YOU CANNOT CARRY This is a .30-06 Sign. Don't ignore it.

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YES YOU CAN CARRY - This is a TABC sign. Just read the text...The Unlicensed Possession.... Heck, even Wal-Mart has these signs.

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NO YOU CANNOT CARRY - TABC 51% Sign. Don't ignore it.

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YES YOU CAN CARRY - Old, incorrect verbiage (4413).

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YES YOU CAN CARRY - Old PC (30.05)

A lot of the image links in the OP are broken, but more importantly (to my mind)... have we made any more headway on staving off inappropriate/misleading postings (such as governmental entities posting 30.06 or 30.07)?

If not, then what are the prospects of this in the 2017 lege session?
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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby Brick » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:23 am

Hi. New to the forum. Have enjoyed reading various posts and decided to join. If I see signs prohibiting carry, whether to the letter of the law or not, I do not carry into that establishment. I don't think it's worth the hassle. I believe that property owners should have the right to prohibit whatever they want, correct signage or not. I try not to frequent such places because legally carrying where I am welcome is important to me.


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Re: Signs for the CHLer

Postby doncb » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:20 am

Brick wrote:If I see signs prohibiting carry, whether to the letter of the law or not, I do not carry into that establishment. I don't think it's worth the hassle. I believe that property owners should have the right to prohibit whatever they want, correct signage or not.

See, that's the problem. We follow the law and they don't. I believe in property rights too, but businesses should have to follow the letter of the law just as we do. Would I carry past a sign like at Whole Foods that blatently doesn't follow the law? Absolutely. The 30.06 / .07 sign requirements were written into law for a reason. As I said in another post, if I carry past a Whole Foods type sign, I'm not breaking the law but they are.
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