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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby Liberty » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:23 am

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If the LEO is not there on official business, do you not have the right to ask them to leave? If there on official business, then they are the authority for the moment. You can't fairly say 'I know a murder was committed on my property, but you have no right to be here, now go...'. But if they are not there on official business and wander onto your property and sit down on your deck to have lunch by your pool, you have a right to have them leave.


Even if they are on official business, I would think that we have a right to deny entry unless they have a warrant. A person could make entry conditional on the officer disarming themselves. I can't imagine this working out well though.
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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby tbrown » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:22 pm

Liberty wrote:A person could make entry conditional on the officer disarming themselves. I can't imagine this working out well though.

Definitely not with a Texas legislature that doesn't respect private property rights.
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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:32 pm

tbrown wrote:
Liberty wrote:A person could make entry conditional on the officer disarming themselves. I can't imagine this working out well though.

Definitely not with a Texas legislature that doesn't respect private property rights.


Can you clarify this comment? On the question of prohibiting guns, I think 30.06 / 30.07 strikes a balance that is far more in the favor of property rights than the 2A rights of customers, employees, and other visitors. Is this what you are referring to, or is it something else? If you are talking about EPA restrictions on the use of our property, I agree, but that is federal and not the state.
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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:36 pm

My employer's policy says no guns, and then says that the penalty for violating the policy is punishment "up to and including termination". The policy is also technically in violation of Texas law since it says that you can be fired for having a gun in your car in the parking lot. Not sure if this alone would invalidate the entire policy under Texas law.

I am not planning to carry regardless because I like my job (at least most days). But I'm curious, Is this valid legal notice under 30.06 and/or 30.07?
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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby thetexan » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:27 am

Soccerdad1995 wrote:My employer's policy says no guns, and then says that the penalty for violating the policy is punishment "up to and including termination". The policy is also technically in violation of Texas law since it says that you can be fired for having a gun in your car in the parking lot. Not sure if this alone would invalidate the entire policy under Texas law.

I am not planning to carry regardless because I like my job (at least most days). But I'm curious, Is this valid legal notice under 30.06 and/or 30.07?


They have no legal muscle to stop you from having your gun in their parking lot by threat of statutory violation and consequent criminal or civil punishment.

Their only muscle is with the employer/employee relationship where, in Texas, by way of published employment practices, they do swing a big sword.

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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby Middle Age Russ » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:36 am

My employer's policy says no guns, and then says that the penalty for violating the policy is punishment "up to and including termination". The policy is also technically in violation of Texas law since it says that you can be fired for having a gun in your car in the parking lot. Not sure if this alone would invalidate the entire policy under Texas law.


The so-called Parking Lot law leaves a few exceptions in place for certain types of businesses such as refineries, chemical plants, etc... where carry is still prohibited. Noting these, if a parking lot has controlled access and is properly posted, it is prohibited to carry and perhaps to even have the firearm in your vehicle.
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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby thetexan » Wed May 31, 2017 10:00 am

tbryanh wrote:So if the company handbook says no firearms allowed and you are caught carrying, it is a Class C misdemeanor. If you are told to leave at that point and you refuse, it becomes a Class A misdemeanor. Is this correct?


No. You are confusing two things, criminal statutes and civil statutes.

If a company handbook, in written form, simply states that "no handguns are allowed to be carried by employees while at work" then all that has happened is that the employer has conveyed to the reader of the handbook his expectations that continued employment depends on the employee complying with the handbook admonishments. The consequence of violating this handbook statement may result in being fired, but nothing criminal.

If, however, the handbook, as a document under 30.06 and 30.07, has written in it...“Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”

or...“Pursuant to Section 30.07, Penal Code (trespass by license holder with an openly carried handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (handgun licensing law), may not enter this property with a handgun that is carried openly”

and the employee is required by some mechanism of employment to read the handbook, then that employee has been properly notified under 30.06 and/or 30.07 and failure could not only mean termination of employment but also a Class C (and possibly Class A) criminal trespass.

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Re: Conceal carry at work

Postby twomillenium » Wed May 31, 2017 10:47 am

Just remember, when an employee signs that paper that they have received and read the employee handbook, then the employee has been given notice at least civilly.

One may have a LEO not on official business to leave their property as long as the reason is nondiscriminatory or is not because they are an LEO or carrying a firearm.
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