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Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby rp_photo » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:42 am

Whenever incidents like this happen, the make and model of the weapon and whether there were any modifications should be disclosed, which would serve to warn and inform the shooting public.

http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/cleveland/news/article/Liberty-County-commissioner-involved-in-11291598.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&cmpid=fb-mobile
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby K.Mooneyham » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:33 am

So, the man in the story has had two incidents where guns just "went off"? Something quite smelly about the whole thing. Oh, yes, it certainly would be nice to know what sort of firearms were involved and what had been done to them.

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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Jusme » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:51 am

rp_photo wrote:Whenever incidents like this happen, the make and model of the weapon and whether there were any modifications should be disclosed, which would serve to warn and inform the shooting public.

http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/cleveland/news/article/Liberty-County-commissioner-involved-in-11291598.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&cmpid=fb-mobile



I agree that modifications, if any were involved, I don't know that listing the manufacturer, will do anything, but possibly give an unwarranted reputation, when, especially in the cases involving this story, appear to involve the human element more than an inherent, defect. JMHO
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Liberty » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:18 pm

Jusme wrote:
rp_photo wrote:Whenever incidents like this happen, the make and model of the weapon and whether there were any modifications should be disclosed, which would serve to warn and inform the shooting public.

http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/cleveland/news/article/Liberty-County-commissioner-involved-in-11291598.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&cmpid=fb-mobile



I agree that modifications, if any were involved, I don't know that listing the manufacturer, will do anything, but possibly give an unwarranted reputation, when, especially in the cases involving this story, appear to involve the human element more than an inherent, defect. JMHO


In this case it is obvious the person touched the trigger while he was readjusted the gun in its holster. He admited it. It was clearly his fault. A contributing fact to this incident is about the gun. Of course he should keep his booger finger away. Making the public aware that such incidents occur with some types of guns more often than others is a good thing. There is an added hazzard when folks decide to carry striker fired weapons with no mechanical safety. Awareness is a good thing. A driver who gets killed running a stop sign gets killed because he was negligent in running the red light. But there may be good chance they would still be alive if they wore the seatbelt.
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Jusme » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:40 pm

Liberty wrote:
Jusme wrote:
rp_photo wrote:Whenever incidents like this happen, the make and model of the weapon and whether there were any modifications should be disclosed, which would serve to warn and inform the shooting public.

http://m.chron.com/neighborhood/cleveland/news/article/Liberty-County-commissioner-involved-in-11291598.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&cmpid=fb-mobile



I agree that modifications, if any were involved, I don't know that listing the manufacturer, will do anything, but possibly give an unwarranted reputation, when, especially in the cases involving this story, appear to involve the human element more than an inherent, defect. JMHO


In this case it is obvious the person touched the trigger while he was readjusted the gun in its holster. He admited it. It was clearly his fault. A contributing fact to this incident is about the gun. Of course he should keep his booger finger away. Making the public aware that such incidents occur with some types of guns more often than others is a good thing. There is an added hazzard when folks decide to carry striker fired weapons with no mechanical safety. Awareness is a good thing. A driver who gets killed running a stop sign gets killed because he was negligent in running the red light. But there may be good chance they would still be alive if they wore the seatbelt.


Right, and the fact that he may have been driving a Chevy, is irrelevant.
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Pawpaw » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:36 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote:So, the man in the story has had two incidents where guns just "went off"? Something quite smelly about the whole thing. Oh, yes, it certainly would be nice to know what sort of firearms were involved and what had been done to them.

In his 40 years of law enforcement as sheriff and a sergeant for the Texas Department of Public Safety, Arthur said he never accidentally discharged his handgun before now or had to shoot at anyone. He says he is extremely remorseful for any injuries his actions caused.


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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Liberty » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:29 pm

Pawpaw wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:So, the man in the story has had two incidents where guns just "went off"? Something quite smelly about the whole thing. Oh, yes, it certainly would be nice to know what sort of firearms were involved and what had been done to them.

In his 40 years of law enforcement as sheriff and a sergeant for the Texas Department of Public Safety, Arthur said he never accidentally discharged his handgun before now or had to shoot at anyone. He says he is extremely remorseful for any injuries his actions caused.


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Apparently, a friend had the ND with his gun. The LEO wasn't with him.
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Liberty » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:33 pm

Jusme wrote: Right, and the fact that he may have been driving a Chevy, is irrelevant.

Irrelevant, unless the design or flaw of the so called Chevy contributed to the death.
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby OlBill » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:13 pm

The incident is the second time a firearm owned by Arthur has accidentally discharged. Several years ago, a Liberty business owner and a friend of Arthur's accidentally shot himself with Arthur's handgun.


I think we all know what the brand is... ;-)

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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby parabelum » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:21 pm

OlBill wrote:
The incident is the second time a firearm owned by Arthur has accidentally discharged. Several years ago, a Liberty business owner and a friend of Arthur's accidentally shot himself with Arthur's handgun.


I think we all know what the brand is... ;-)



Hey, we don't know if it was Glock or.... :grumble ooops...did I just slip... :shock:
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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby flechero » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:38 pm

"We were at the pavilion and I was wearing my concealed handgun. It was shifting around a little bit so I stepped out into the parking lot to readjust," Arthur said.

While making adjustments, Arthur says he accidentally hit the trigger


Sounds like the gun did EXACTLY what it was designed to do. His carry method or holster may not be up to snuff... And maybe next time he won't go adjust it right next to a little boy and his dad. :banghead:


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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby OlBill » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:52 pm

I remember that dude from when he was a police man.


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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby NNT » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:26 pm

it did what it was designed to.
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If one brand has more issues of people pulling the trigger, maybe it says more about who buys that brand than the brand itself?


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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby patterson » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:38 pm

Some people say they choose certain firearms that are prone to ND because of the easy manual of arms seems like some them needto choose safer firearms and be trained on how to use them if the manual of arms on those types are too difficult for them


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Re: Disclosure of information on weapons involved in ND's and other mishaps

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:03 pm

I've had many firearms discharge when no safeties were engaged, there was a round in the chamber, and I pulled the trigger. This has happened to me with guns manufactured by Glock, CZ, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Walther, Sphinx, Calico, Bushmaster, Colt, Dan Wesson, Les Baer, Nighthawk, Mossberg, Weatherby, Kel-Tec, Taurus, Rossi, Kahr, and others.

I have never had a firearm discharge while a safety was engaged, while there was no round in the chamber, and when I did not pull the trigger.

I agree that it would be nice to know the gun make and model and if any mods were done to the gun if the gun fired while safeties were engaged, without the trigger being pulled, or if there was no round in the chamber. But I believe there is zero benefit to knowing that which gun model functioned as it was designed by firing when the trigger was pulled on a chambered round with all safeties disengaged. It would be more informative to know the age, sex, race, and occupation of the humans who actually screwed up in these situations. After all, the human was faulty, not the gun.
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