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Postby GlockenHammer » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:00 pm

Webster, TX fire station number 1.


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Bastrop Sheriff office improperly posted?

Postby tonyP-11 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:10 pm

I visited the Bastrop County Law Enforcement Center (sheriff’s offices) today to bid a project.

They have posted a sign (I believe the old style sign) to the effect of:
Possession of a handgun under the authority of the concealed handgun…..Civil Statute 4413 (29ee)…..is prohibited.

Then there is a silhouette of a gun with red “no� slash/symbol over it.

Then again in Spanish.

I do not believe this complies with 30.06 but as I was soliciting business I did not bring it to their attention. Nor did I want to be too obvious in coping down the wordage so I paraphrased what the sign said.

The interesting thing is once you go down a hallway there is a door where the offices check their gun prior to entering the door and their holding area. Nowhere on the building is it stated that this is anything but the sheriff’s office. I knew I would be visiting the holding areas and left the weapon in the truck anyway.

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Postby Kalrog » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:28 pm

I wonder what would happen if you tried to utilize the same gun storage facilities as the officers... I bet they would be a bit surprised that you were armed and might try to make you a "guest". I guess it depends on the officer (and especially the boss).

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Postby stevie_d_64 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:11 pm

GlockenHammer wrote:Webster, TX fire station number 1.


I used to be a member with Webster VFD...

Are you talking about that new station over on Egret Bay Blvd???

Or the old stationhouse I recall over off of Hwy 3 near the new PD building...

Now that it is a semi-paid organization (I left before that idea came to pass), I am sure the 30.06 idea came straight from the city who knew there were a bunch of us that were "gun enthusiast" who did a lot of shooting and hunting. And some of us even had CHL's! Gasp!

And that if we wanted to work a shift or hang out waiting for a call...That more than likely we'd have a firearm in our vehicles...But we knew we should not bring one into the building, knowing we probably wouldn't have time to secure the weapon if we got a call...Obviously...

We figured that was a good thing...But knowing a city government tends to not trust us at all anyway...Thats what probably drove the issue to post the facility...

Anyway...Long on gas I suppose...
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Postby John » Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:20 pm

The convention center in Texas City is posted with a 30.06 sign. It is city owned and operated according to their web site.
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Postby jimlongley » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:23 am

stevie_d_64 wrote:
GlockenHammer wrote:Webster, TX fire station number 1.


I used to be a member with Webster VFD...

Are you talking about that new station over on Egret Bay Blvd???

Or the old stationhouse I recall over off of Hwy 3 near the new PD building...

Now that it is a semi-paid organization (I left before that idea came to pass), I am sure the 30.06 idea came straight from the city who knew there were a bunch of us that were "gun enthusiast" who did a lot of shooting and hunting. And some of us even had CHL's! Gasp!

And that if we wanted to work a shift or hang out waiting for a call...That more than likely we'd have a firearm in our vehicles...But we knew we should not bring one into the building, knowing we probably wouldn't have time to secure the weapon if we got a call...Obviously...

We figured that was a good thing...But knowing a city government tends to not trust us at all anyway...Thats what probably drove the issue to post the facility...

Anyway...Long on gas I suppose...


ROFL! I can remember a bunch of us sitting around the firehouse cleaning our guns after sighting in for that weekend's deer hunting trip, and a call came in. As we ALL piled onto the trucks someone suggested that maybe we should leave one person behind to guard the guns, at least until the radio operator or ladies' auxiliary arrived. :lol: Boy, them were the days.
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Postby ElGato » Fri Dec 09, 2005 12:49 pm

John the signs in Texas City came down after I talked to the Mayor, no signs anymore but there is a pre-school in the older part of that building.

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Postby stevie_d_64 » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:22 pm

jimlongley wrote:ROFL! I can remember a bunch of us sitting around the firehouse cleaning our guns after sighting in for that weekend's deer hunting trip, and a call came in. As we ALL piled onto the trucks someone suggested that maybe we should leave one person behind to guard the guns, at least until the radio operator or ladies' auxiliary arrived. :lol: Boy, them were the days.


Holy crap Jim! :lol:

I bet it was the rookie of the bunch that got left behind??? :lol:

I might have been slightly askew to consider coming back to the station if he/she was still there with all that firepower... :lol:

Glad I grew up and learned pump ops, instead of going into those perfectly good "burning structures"... :lol:
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Postby jimlongley » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:29 pm

Yeah, we left "Baby Huey" behind. If you remember the comic, the description fits.

Huey didn't hunt and I'm not sure he knew which end of a gun was which, so he was safe with them. He was a heck of a horse to have at a fire scene, not a lot of smarts but you could set him a task and he would do it.

I remember seeing him running from a collapsing wall, dragging a hose, with two other firefighters holding on to the hose for dear life. I don't think he even knew they were there. He would have been great in the NFL if they could keep him pointed in the right direction.

I spent a lot of years as a Lt. and one as a Capt. and had ALL the schools that were available, but I basically was a nozzle man at heart.

Sitting around the firehouse on a Saturday afternoon, beer, pepperoni, sharp cheese (which the chief hated) and Hoppe's #9. Life doesn't get much better than that. :lol:
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Postby Arock » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:35 pm

Rockwall County Government Center on Ridge Road is posted with 30.06 signage and have a uniformed officer and metal detector at the entrance. There are offices in the building that are NOT "offices of the court" ie. computer and communications managers offices etc.

Signage, metal detector and officer(s) were the work of former 322nd State District Judge Sue Pirtle (a former liberal female educator) since un-elected but her sorry legacy lives on.

I plan to speak with the County Judge about this but Rockwall County considers itself exempt from laws not of its making so I'm not optimistic. May have to call TSRA for support.
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Postby txinvestigator » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:24 pm

If they have any offices utilized by the court they can prohibt you.

PS I am right around the corner from you in Wylie.


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Postby Arock » Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:42 pm

txinvestigator wrote:If they have any offices utilized by the court they can prohibt you.

PS I am right around the corner from you in Wylie.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of the statute says a person possessing a valid CHL is barred from courtrooms, offices of the court, etc, not from the entire building the court is in. This is why there are separate metal detectors outside the courtroom. Other offices in the building are County Clerk, District Clerk, DA, County Treasurer etc. From other threads on this forum I understand a person with a CHL should have access to other, non-court offices in the building.

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Postby John » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:16 am

ElGato wrote:John the signs in Texas City came down after I talked to the Mayor, no signs anymore but there is a pre-school in the older part of that building.

Tomcat


Thanks for the heads up... i was there for a trade show earlier this year and saw the signs. They did have an armed guard. Thank you for discussing this with the city.

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Postby CharlieH » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:06 pm

Arock wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:If they have any offices utilized by the court they can prohibt you.

PS I am right around the corner from you in Wylie.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but my reading of the statute says a person possessing a valid CHL is barred from courtrooms, offices of the court, etc, not from the entire building the court is in. This is why there are separate metal detectors outside the courtroom. Other offices in the building are County Clerk, District Clerk, DA, County Treasurer etc. From other threads on this forum I understand a person with a CHL should have access to other, non-court offices in the building.

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I don't have the legal reference, but when I took the CHL class in March the instructor said this changed recently and that the whole building would now be prohibited.


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Postby Arock » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:28 pm

Please provide a reference as this contradicts my understanding from reading other threads on this site. Specifically as it pertains to access to City of Dallas offices.

I will search for my reference.

ETA one thread is this:
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/viewtopic.php?t=296
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