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The intent seems to be poison gas and gas grenades... Tear gas defensive sprays are okay. Although it would be nice for them to define "small".... "small" is a matter of opinion... and I believe the law to be a bad one.seamusTX wrote:I have never thought about this law. It appears to be aimed at tear gas and homemade poison gas (like sarin).txinvestigator wrote:(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device, other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological
effect on a human being.
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negative. it includes tear gas and OC. Dallas Police have arrested guards carrying the large kind with the handle as it DOES meet the prohibited definition. Reading the law it includes ANY substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological effect on a human being. If you don't think OC or tear gas causes an adverse psychological or physiological on a person, come by the range, sign a waiver and we will do a little experiment.Paladin wrote:The intent seems to be poison gas and gas grenades... Tear gas defensive sprays are okay. Although it would be nice for them to define "small".... "small" is a matter of opinion... and I believe the law to be a bad one.seamusTX wrote:I have never thought about this law. It appears to be aimed at tear gas and homemade poison gas (like sarin).txinvestigator wrote:(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device, other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological
effect on a human being.
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I agree that it needs a better definition.
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If you don't think OC or tear gas causes an adverse psychological or physiological on a person, come by the range, sign a waiver and we will do a little experiment.
Like you, having "been there"...I'm gonna take a pass.
But if you get any "takers", please give me notice, because I really want to be there for that.
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While doing a great deal of OC training for the prison system...it was very common for the initial "exposure" of OC on cadets be videotaped and shown to them a few days later......this effectively proves that they had little or no fight left in them for a period of time. I have been exposed to OC, CS, and CN a number of times and I would gladly take either of the particulate forms rather than the hot sauce!
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I'm not sure you get my meaning.txinvestigator wrote:negative. it includes tear gas and OC. Dallas Police have arrested guards carrying the large kind with the handle as it DOES meet the prohibited definition. Reading the law it includes ANY substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological effect on a human being. If you don't think OC or tear gas causes an adverse psychological or physiological on a person, come by the range, sign a waiver and we will do a little experiment.Paladin wrote:The intent seems to be poison gas and gas grenades... Tear gas defensive sprays are okay. Although it would be nice for them to define "small".... "small" is a matter of opinion... and I believe the law to be a bad one.seamusTX wrote:I have never thought about this law. It appears to be aimed at tear gas and homemade poison gas (like sarin).txinvestigator wrote:(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device, other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological
effect on a human being.
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I agree that it needs a better definition.
"small" defensive tear gas sprays are okay, just as "small" defensive OC sprays are okay.
If DPD believes that "small" defensive tear gas sprays are illegal... then why are they sold over the counter in Dallas?
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I get you. "Small" is too ambiguous of a word.Paladin wrote:I'm not sure you get my meaning.txinvestigator wrote:negative. it includes tear gas and OC. Dallas Police have arrested guards carrying the large kind with the handle as it DOES meet the prohibited definition. Reading the law it includes ANY substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological effect on a human being. If you don't think OC or tear gas causes an adverse psychological or physiological on a person, come by the range, sign a waiver and we will do a little experiment.Paladin wrote:The intent seems to be poison gas and gas grenades... Tear gas defensive sprays are okay. Although it would be nice for them to define "small".... "small" is a matter of opinion... and I believe the law to be a bad one.seamusTX wrote:I have never thought about this law. It appears to be aimed at tear gas and homemade poison gas (like sarin).txinvestigator wrote:(14) "Chemical dispensing device" means a device, other than a small chemical dispenser sold commercially for personal protection, that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of dispensing a substance capable of causing an adverse psychological or physiological
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I agree that it needs a better definition.
"small" defensive tear gas sprays are okay, just as "small" defensive OC sprays are okay.
If DPD believes that "small" defensive tear gas sprays are illegal... then why are they sold over the counter in Dallas?
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No, OC is pepper spray. As long as you are carrying a small device sold commercially for self protection you are good to go.JLaw wrote:Okay, so is there a difference between OC spray and the pepper spray that you can pick up anywhere?
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