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This seems like an open attempt to circumvent a law about public buildings. I believe that one of the folks posting here is a lawyer. I wonder if he would mind writing a letter and maybe sending intent for a class action against the show and the city of Fort Worth to get their attention.AJSully421 wrote:The Fort Worth gun show used to have the same thing. It is at a city-owned venue. They now post a sign that says your entry fee is a revocable agreement based on you not having any loaded weapons. I conceal.rotor wrote:Went to the Wichita Falls Gun and Knife show today and it was posted 30.06 and 30.07 inside the building but just before you enter the gun show. This is at the Multi Purpose Event Center, City owned unless I hear otherwise. Talked to the sheriff deputies at the door and asked how could it be posted since it was city owned property. "It's a private event" they said. Realized it was no use discussing with them as they were not knowledgeable about the law. It's a Saturday and the event is 2 days. Not a lot that can be done here. Can not reach the person who puts on the shows, joetom@joetomwhite.com, but have an email to the city manager who is very good. See what happens but sure ruined my day. Hope the vendors note that they are going to lose business and I usually am there with $1,000 if I see anything worth getting. Went to the site Charles mentions at the beginning of this post and downloaded the forms to start a complaint. My first issue is the legality of the signs on City owned property. There is a moral issue though of someone making money off of a gun show and banning licensed people from carrying.
Agreed. It may also be a provision of the liability insurance coverage for the show promoter to not have any loaded guns in the venue. When posting legal 30.06/07 signs was not an option, I am use that they were told to post something with some teeth, and chances are the "revocable entry agreement" language was what their lawyer came up with.FJRider wrote:This seems like an open attempt to circumvent a law about public buildings. I believe that one of the folks posting here is a lawyer. I wonder if he would mind writing a letter and maybe sending intent for a class action against the show and the city of Fort Worth to get their attention.AJSully421 wrote:The Fort Worth gun show used to have the same thing. It is at a city-owned venue. They now post a sign that says your entry fee is a revocable agreement based on you not having any loaded weapons. I conceal.rotor wrote:Went to the Wichita Falls Gun and Knife show today and it was posted 30.06 and 30.07 inside the building but just before you enter the gun show. This is at the Multi Purpose Event Center, City owned unless I hear otherwise. Talked to the sheriff deputies at the door and asked how could it be posted since it was city owned property. "It's a private event" they said. Realized it was no use discussing with them as they were not knowledgeable about the law. It's a Saturday and the event is 2 days. Not a lot that can be done here. Can not reach the person who puts on the shows, joetom@joetomwhite.com, but have an email to the city manager who is very good. See what happens but sure ruined my day. Hope the vendors note that they are going to lose business and I usually am there with $1,000 if I see anything worth getting. Went to the site Charles mentions at the beginning of this post and downloaded the forms to start a complaint. My first issue is the legality of the signs on City owned property. There is a moral issue though of someone making money off of a gun show and banning licensed people from carrying.
Why would the county show its property on the appraisal list? It isn't appraised and sure as blazes they aren't going to pay taxes on it.Pawpaw wrote:Did you consider doing a search for the address on the county Appraisal District website? I would think a printout of that page would suffice. After all, it's based on their records.
JALLEN wrote:Why would the county show its property on the appraisal list? It isn't appraised and sure as blazes they aren't going to pay taxes on it.Pawpaw wrote:Did you consider doing a search for the address on the county Appraisal District website? I would think a printout of that page would suffice. After all, it's based on their records.
In San Diego, where I have very extensive experience with these things, the parcels belonging to the government are not on the tax rolls. I'm hoping that governments in Texas are smarter than governments in CA, being run by unionized socialists and all.
That may be a foolish assumption, I guess.
At least in Kendall County, even county owned property is listed.JALLEN wrote:Why would the county show its property on the appraisal list? It isn't appraised and sure as blazes they aren't going to pay taxes on it.Pawpaw wrote:Did you consider doing a search for the address on the county Appraisal District website? I would think a printout of that page would suffice. After all, it's based on their records.
In San Diego, where I have very extensive experience with these things, the parcels belonging to the government are not on the tax rolls. I'm hoping that governments in Texas are smarter than governments in CA, being run by unionized socialists and all.
That may be a foolish assumption, I guess.
ScottDLS wrote:JALLEN wrote:Why would the county show its property on the appraisal list? It isn't appraised and sure as blazes they aren't going to pay taxes on it.Pawpaw wrote:Did you consider doing a search for the address on the county Appraisal District website? I would think a printout of that page would suffice. After all, it's based on their records.
In San Diego, where I have very extensive experience with these things, the parcels belonging to the government are not on the tax rolls. I'm hoping that governments in Texas are smarter than governments in CA, being run by unionized socialists and all.
That may be a foolish assumption, I guess.
In this case, it isn't.ScottDLS wrote:Yeah, it's best to search by the address. For big properties like stadiums you'll see a lot of equipment/fixtures/machinery that is owned by and gets taxed to businesses, but the building and property will be owned by the government (e.g. ATT/Cowboys Stadium)
A couple of observations:Pawpaw wrote:Did you consider doing a search for the address on the county Appraisal District website? I would think a printout of that page would suffice. After all, it's based on their records.
The appraisal rolls are convenient for all of us to use, but that's not their function. The function is to identify taxable property. If a minor error in the records is not material to the government collecting more taxes, getting the records technically accurate may not be worth the time and expense. Use of appraisal district records is very much caveat emptor.JALLEN wrote:As far as I could tell, there is no property on the tax rolls with the address now used, which is between the two addresses they have on the tax roll. Sneaky!