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Re: Dallas Diocese posting all churches .3006 and .3007 !!

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Who actually owns the property? I am Southern Baptist and the local church is owned by the local congregation with the board of deacons as the controlling body. Doctrinal we subscribe to the Southern Baptist Convention, but their guidance is guidance only. We can do as we please including leaving the convention. If they said to post signs, we could ignore that as they have no authority over the local church. All they could do is toss us out of the organization.

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We're not posted either
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We skipped church this morning. :nono:

I did go to the Donut Shop for a couple of takeout Spicy Kolaches, saw no signs and no one in OC dress. ;-)

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As of this morning, my church (Houston-Galveston Archdiocese) isn't posted. But the large windows immediately adjacent to the entry doors were conspicuously bare. I hope it's just a function of the transition from Christmas into ordinary time. But I have my doubts.
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Re: Dallas Diocese posting all churches .3006 and .3007 !!

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My pastor walked in this morning with a new 30.07 decal for the front door...clear on clear glass. I just smiled!

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We were told that the signs were on order and that notice would be printed in the Sunday bulletin around the time they are put up. I'm praying that the Chancery gets A Lot of feed back before this happens. That is, negative feed back.

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Since the Pastor has control of his parish, I wonder if he can allow you to CC if he wants? Just wondering.

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spx74 wrote:Since the Pastor has control of his parish, I wonder if he can allow you to CC if he wants? Just wondering.
Nope. If he wants to remodel a building he must get approval from the diocese. The diocese owns the property and there is no lease by the parish.

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Thanks Tracker
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Wal-Mart is owned by the shareholders of the corporation, must they give you permission via a resolution to carry past a 30.06, or will the local store manager do?

Does the Holy Father have to issue a Holy Writ for you to have permission to carry, or must the College of Cardinals hold a vote? What about in the Embassy of the Holy See? :shock:
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ScottDLS wrote:Wal-Mart is owned by the shareholders of the corporation, must they give you permission via a resolution to carry past a 30.06, or will the local store manager do?

Does the Holy Father have to issue a Holy Writ for you to have permission to carry, or must the College of Cardinals hold a vote? What about in the Embassy of the Holy See? :shock:
The priest is best thought of as an employee of the diocese with the bishop equivalent to the CEO. So while one diocese may band CC another may allow it.
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Tracker wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:Wal-Mart is owned by the shareholders of the corporation, must they give you permission via a resolution to carry past a 30.06, or will the local store manager do?

Does the Holy Father have to issue a Holy Writ for you to have permission to carry, or must the College of Cardinals hold a vote? What about in the Embassy of the Holy See? :shock:
The priest is best thought of as an employee of the diocese with the bishop equivalent to the CEO. So while one diocese may band CC another may allow it.
In seriousness, my thought was that if the Parish Priest told you it was OK that would be "effective consent". Or at least you would have a strong case that it was in a trial, as you can't be expected to know all the details of Canon Law.
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ScottDLS wrote:
Tracker wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:Wal-Mart is owned by the shareholders of the corporation, must they give you permission via a resolution to carry past a 30.06, or will the local store manager do?

Does the Holy Father have to issue a Holy Writ for you to have permission to carry, or must the College of Cardinals hold a vote? What about in the Embassy of the Holy See? :shock:
The priest is best thought of as an employee of the diocese with the bishop equivalent to the CEO. So while one diocese may band CC another may allow it.
In seriousness, my thought was that if the Parish Priest told you it was OK that would be "effective consent". Or at least you would have a strong case that it was in a trial, as you can't be expected to know all the details of Canon Law.
If the dioceses has no policy then the parish could give consent. Usually, that would be by parish council (which includes the priest) and which is an advisory board but the priest would have final say. Ask most Catholic adults and they'll tell you the Church is not a democracy.

In all practicality, if you were found to be carrying concealed nobody is going to have you arrested unless you grossly repeat carrying after having been notified not to. For the churches posting in the bulletin and making an annual announcement would be enough notification for its parishioners.

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Notice the Fort Worth diocesan policy refers to diocesan property...which means all churches, schools, parish halls, etc.
http://www.fwdioc.org/diocesan-weapons- ... 1-7-16.pdf

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Re: Dallas Diocese posting all churches .3006 and .3007 !!

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Do you think there will be a lot of "Forgive me father for I have sinned?"
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