City Owned Property & Signs

[ralewis]

Been on the forum for a long time, had a CHL for 12 years plus so I'm pretty familiar with the laws and discussions on forum on similar topics--- this hopefully isn't perceived as a repeat of many other threads. Trying to ask a different question about ability of a City to prevent lawful carry at a non-prohibited event and some legislative help for License holders in such situations.

I was at the Alamodome yesterday for a Band Competition. 30.07/30.06 signs, bag searches, metal detectors. Of course it's a High School interscholastic event, so it's obviously an off limits situation. Redundant/non-applicable signage and all -- not the issue. Just offering the detail because they sure seemed serious about communicating the no-firearms thing. I'm betting those signs are there regardless of what's going on at the Alamodome. I've seen a similar situation at the Cedar Park Center (now HEB Center -- but I think it's still City owned).

There was another sign though that I've never seen. It was above the door on the way in, and said something like "firearms are prohibited in city buildings unless specifically licensed" (or something similar to that). I mention that because I kind of thought maybe that was an admission that the City may realize they can't actually lawfully exclude carry strictly because the City says so....

My question/comment is around lawful carry at non-prohibited events. I'm not the kind of guy to cause a scene or argue with a security vendor. So I'm wondering if there might be some emphasis with the legislature at some point dealing with public property carry at non-prohibited events so there is an incentive to ensure the renta-security-vendors are educated on the laws pertaining to License holders.

[C-dub]

IIRC, somewhere around this forum, it has been mentioned that similar non-prohibited events at the Dallas Mavericks/Stars American Airlines Center, they have removed their 30.06 signs in recent years past when there were concerts or the circus was there. I did not go for anything like that, so I didn't see them not there first hand. All I know for sure is that they had them up for the hockey games and although not necessary I'm sure they were there as a reminder.

[tornado]

I didn't go to BOA SA (watched online), but I was at UIL 6A State on Tuesday with the same questions in my head.

And I had to make two trips back to my car. The first to leave my folding knife (because it was the first time I'd seen metal detectors there) and the second for my red Swiss army knife (that slipped my mind because to me it's a tool, not a knife).

Of course, no band members (or I would guess chaperones) were searched or even wanded. And I doubt security at their entrance could have kept out anyone with criminal intent.

At least there were some uniformed SAPD inside.

[ScottDLS]

IIRC, somewhere around this forum, it has been mentioned that similar non-prohibited events at the Dallas Mavericks/Stars American Airlines Center, they have removed their 30.06 signs in recent years past when there were concerts or the circus was there. I did not go for anything like that, so I didn't see them not there first hand. All I know for sure is that they had them up for the hockey games and although not necessary I'm sure they were there as a reminder.

Somebody ought to tell the City of Arlington. ATT Stadium is permanently posted 30.06/7 and they enforced for non-scholastic events last time I went there. KP-108 and the latest one for Ft. Worth zoo will keep them safe.

[Aggie_engr]

I know this is in in Georgia but maybe Texas could use similar aspects from this case to prevent stadiums from posting that are government owned.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/nfl-a ... led-carry/

At issue is whether a private party leasing government-owned property can ban the otherwise lawful carry of firearms there. After all, under Georgia law, while owners of private property can declare a “gun-free” zone, government entities, with certain exceptions, cannot.

This was clearly established in the recent “Georgia Carry, Inc. v. Atlanta Botanical Garden, Inc.” case; the court ruled that the government-owned, but leased Botanical Gardens property cannot ban concealed carry there.