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Krogers signage question

Postby Teacherjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:15 pm

So I went to my local Kroger today and they have posted a sign that states the government code chapter 411. I am curious why they need that sign up? It's probably a simple answer that I know but can't remember, it just got posted recently.

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Liberty » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:22 pm

Probably the infamous TABC blue sign. It's just warning that because they serve alcohol (beer and wine) that unlicensed folks are committing a crime if they carry a gun in the place. Almost every liquor store, convenience store or supermarket is gonna have this sign.
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby txyaloo » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:48 pm

Teacherjoe wrote:So I went to my local Kroger today and they have posted a sign that states the government code chapter 411. I am curious why they need that sign up? It's probably a simple answer that I know but can't remember, it just got posted recently.


Was it the sign below? TABC was issuing that sign for a short period last January after OC became law. They went back to the standard "blue" sign after a few weeks

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Teacherjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:52 pm

It says that but it's almost transparent white lettering with a clear background. AND it's posted at the bottom of a window beside a sliding door. When the door opens, it hides it. I just happen to see it before the door activated. Is it legal?

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Teamless » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:57 pm

It's legal
And if you have an LTC, just walk on by and shop!
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby CleverNickname » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:18 pm

Teacherjoe wrote:So I went to my local Kroger today and they have posted a sign that states the government code chapter 411. I am curious why they need that sign up? It's probably a simple answer that I know but can't remember, it just got posted recently.


People were carrying long guns into Kroger. While it's not illegal for people to do that, it's illegal for Kroger to knowingly let them do that, because Kroger sells alcohol. The sign is just a reminder.

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Teacherjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:01 pm

Teamless wrote:It's legal
And if you have an LTC, just walk on by and shop!


I have a LTC so I'm legal then? Great! Thanks!


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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby treadlightly » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:22 pm

Those signs are a hoot. They basically say that nothing's changed by posting the sign. Then it goes the extra mile with that "unless" clause. It's like a welcome mat! :biggrinjester:

Those signs are at each entrance to our local Walmart. When I go I always mentally wink at the sign and give appreciation for the green light.

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Teamless » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:24 am

Teacherjoe wrote:
Teamless wrote:It's legal
And if you have an LTC, just walk on by and shop!


I have a LTC so I'm legal then? Great! Thanks!


Yep, legal!
BTW, you will see these same signs at ANY restaurant (which is not 51%) or other store who sells any alcohol
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HEB
Randalls
World Market
etc, etc, etc.
So get used to them.
Remember the key statement "who is NOT licensed under chapter...." which as an LTC'er, you ARE licensed under chapter....
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Keith B » Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:47 pm

Many people seem to think these signs are contradictory, but they are not. Unlicensed handgun carry in a location that sells alcohol in any form is carries a higher penalty than many other locations. So, it is just to be a reminder to those not licensed that it is more serious for them and to those licensed that it is not illegal.
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby ScottDLS » Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:51 pm

Keith B wrote:Many people seem to think these signs are contradictory, but they are not. Unlicensed handgun carry in a location that sells alcohol in any form is carries a higher penalty than many other locations. So, it is just to be a reminder to those not licensed that it is more serious for them and to those licensed that it is not illegal.

The sign is not technically correct if it is suggesting that it is illegal (i.e. a crime) to carry a weapon other than a handgun or only to be able to carry if you are licensed under GC 411. A LEO on or off duty can carry. The owner may carry. Employees may carry if allowed by the owner. Non LTCs may carry rifles, etc. The store can lose their ABC license for knowingly allowing rifle carry, but it's not a crime. :rules:
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby Keith B » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:10 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Keith B wrote:Many people seem to think these signs are contradictory, but they are not. Unlicensed handgun carry in a location that sells alcohol in any form is carries a higher penalty than many other locations. So, it is just to be a reminder to those not licensed that it is more serious for them and to those licensed that it is not illegal.

The sign is not technically correct if it is suggesting that it is illegal (i.e. a crime) to carry a weapon other than a handgun or only to be able to carry if you are licensed under GC 411. A LEO on or off duty can carry. The owner may carry. Employees may carry if allowed by the owner. Non LTCs may carry rifles, etc. The store can lose their ABC license for knowingly allowing rifle carry, but it's not a crime. :rules:


Actually, I was talking about the regular 'Unlicensed possession' TABC sign.

Employees that don't have an LTC cannot carry a handgun unless they are in control of the property. The owner can't give permission to carry. Of course LEO's can carry, because they are licensed by TCOLE to carry.

I agree the sign in the OP's post is not technically accurate.
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby ScottDLS » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:03 am

Keith B wrote:
ScottDLS wrote:
Keith B wrote:Many people seem to think these signs are contradictory, but they are not. Unlicensed handgun carry in a location that sells alcohol in any form is carries a higher penalty than many other locations. So, it is just to be a reminder to those not licensed that it is more serious for them and to those licensed that it is not illegal.

The sign is not technically correct if it is suggesting that it is illegal (i.e. a crime) to carry a weapon other than a handgun or only to be able to carry if you are licensed under GC 411. A LEO on or off duty can carry. The owner may carry. Employees may carry if allowed by the owner. Non LTCs may carry rifles, etc. The store can lose their ABC license for knowingly allowing rifle carry, but it's not a crime. :rules:


Actually, I was talking about the regular 'Unlicensed possession' TABC sign.

Employees that don't have an LTC cannot carry a handgun unless they are in control of the property. The owner can't give permission to carry. Of course LEO's can carry, because they are licensed by TCOLE to carry.

I agree the sign in the OP's post is not technically accurate.


Oh now I see, I was talking about the OP sign.
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby locke_n_load » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:29 pm

Just an FYI, Kroger is one of the biggest grocers that respect our rights.
They have not ever given in to mom's demand nonsense, and I have never seen a no-guns sign posted at their store, of any type, that wasn't required by law, nor asked for my LTC when carrying openly in any of their stores.

I shop there almost exclusively for groceries because of those reasons.
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Re: Krogers signage question

Postby ScottDLS » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:33 pm

locke_n_load wrote:Just an FYI, Kroger is one of the biggest grocers that respect our rights.
They have not ever given in to mom's demand nonsense, and I have never seen a no-guns sign posted at their store, of any type, that wasn't required by law, nor asked for my LTC when carrying openly in any of their stores.

I shop there almost exclusively for groceries because of those reasons.


I've never had an issue at Safeway(Tom Thumb)/Albertsons either...they must be close to 2nd largest. The ones with a problem seem to be Texas based ones like Brookshire's, HEB, Carnival...
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