PTSD and obtaining a LTC

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PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby 1s1k52 » Wed May 10, 2017 5:58 pm

Does anyone know if being diagnosed and treated for PTSD currently or at any point negates someone from a LTC? Thanks.
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby Wolverine » Wed May 10, 2017 6:19 pm

PTSD is not necessarily a disqualifier but can be. See GC §411.172 (d) and (e)
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby MeMelYup » Sun May 14, 2017 2:10 pm

Inform your Dr. that you need a statement on a letterhead stating: you are not deemed harmful to yourself or another person, and that you need it for work purposes.


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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby TreyHouston » Sun May 14, 2017 3:09 pm

MeMelYup wrote:Inform your Dr. that you need a statement on a letterhead stating: you are not deemed harmful to yourself or another person, and that you need it for work purposes.


:iagree: PTSD, It is now in the same category as Bipolar... I would make copies of that letter as well. I hate to say it but this probably won't be the last time you will need it.
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby 1s1k52 » Sat May 20, 2017 12:54 pm

Thanks for all the replies. This was for someone else so I will pass it along.
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby Jigo23 » Tue May 30, 2017 8:51 am

No disrespect intended here to anyone, but in my opinion there is some advice being given here, unless something WRITTEN into law specifically addressing a diagnosis of PTSD being a disqualifier for receiving a license to carry, that is questionable.
First off, where did the information come from that PTSD "is in the same category as bi-polar"? From a medical/psychological standpoint they are not even related whatsoever.
Secondly, asking your doctor for a letter written as described here, you are just bringing unwanted and unjustified attention to yourself, PLUS the advice about LYING to your Doctor by saying you require a carry license for work is just not smart to do at all. Didn't see the the OP stated it was for work or did I miss that? Besides being totally unnecessary, I doubt you'd get ANY doctor to sign such a letter as stated. God forbid you'd end up committing some violent act with a gun, I could just see some type of civil legal action taken towards a doctor that was dumb enough go to sign something like that.
As the laws are written, there is nothing whatsoever that even brings into question someone's qualification for a license to carry if they are being treated for PTSD. So why would you even want to bring that to the attention of state officials responsible for issuing licenses? That's about like you saying "Are you REALLY REALLY sure you want to give me a license to carry"
Think about the many thousands of veterans out there who have been diagnosed with PTSD from things they saw or were forced to do in combat. For every ONE officially diagnosed, I promise you there are at least the same number that have gone undiagnosed. Think they'd stand for being denied their right to arm themselves simply because they suffer from PTSD? NOPE!
PTSD is very treatable with a combination of medications and/or some type of therapy. Back to the OP's question regarding his friend, bottom line is why bring something to the attention of any state or federal agency, that isn't required by law? Which PTSD is not in and of itself. Of course with any medical condtion that is accompanied by any of the disqualifying behaviors, that's a different story, but PTSD by itself is not disqualifying and is not any official's business. Again, no disrespect to other advice given, I just don't think it is very wise to bring attention to something that is not required by law, just opens a can of worms that is better left closed...unless you are going fishin' :)
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby ScottDLS » Tue May 30, 2017 9:47 am

Jigo23 wrote:No disrespect intended here to anyone, but in my opinion there is some advice being given here, unless something WRITTEN into law specifically addressing a diagnosis of PTSD being a disqualifier for receiving a license to carry, that is questionable.
First off, where did the information come from that PTSD "is in the same category as bi-polar"? From a medical/psychological standpoint they are not even related whatsoever.
Secondly, asking your doctor for a letter written as described here, you are just bringing unwanted and unjustified attention to yourself, PLUS the advice about LYING to your Doctor by saying you require a carry license for work is just not smart to do at all. Didn't see the the OP stated it was for work or did I miss that? Besides being totally unnecessary, I doubt you'd get ANY doctor to sign such a letter as stated. God forbid you'd end up committing some violent act with a gun, I could just see some type of civil legal action taken towards a doctor that was dumb enough go to sign something like that.
As the laws are written, there is nothing whatsoever that even brings into question someone's qualification for a license to carry if they are being treated for PTSD. So why would you even want to bring that to the attention of state officials responsible for issuing licenses? That's about like you saying "Are you REALLY REALLY sure you want to give me a license to carry"
Think about the many thousands of veterans out there who have been diagnosed with PTSD from things they saw or were forced to do in combat. For every ONE officially diagnosed, I promise you there are at least the same number that have gone undiagnosed. Think they'd stand for being denied their right to arm themselves simply because they suffer from PTSD? NOPE!
PTSD is very treatable with a combination of medications and/or some type of therapy. Back to the OP's question regarding his friend, bottom line is why bring something to the attention of any state or federal agency, that isn't required by law? Which PTSD is not in and of itself. Of course with any medical condtion that is accompanied by any of the disqualifying behaviors, that's a different story, but PTSD by itself is not disqualifying and is not any official's business. Again, no disrespect to other advice given, I just don't think it is very wise to bring attention to something that is not required by law, just opens a can of worms that is better left closed...unless you are going fishin' :)


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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby MeMelYup » Tue May 30, 2017 1:02 pm

Jigo23 wrote:No disrespect intended here to anyone, but in my opinion there is some advice being given here, unless something WRITTEN into law specifically addressing a diagnosis of PTSD being a disqualifier for receiving a license to carry, that is questionable.
First off, where did the information come from that PTSD "is in the same category as bi-polar"? From a medical/psychological standpoint they are not even related whatsoever.
Secondly, asking your doctor for a letter written as described here, you are just bringing unwanted and unjustified attention to yourself, PLUS the advice about LYING to your Doctor by saying you require a carry license for work is just not smart to do at all. Didn't see the the OP stated it was for work or did I miss that? Besides being totally unnecessary, I doubt you'd get ANY doctor to sign such a letter as stated. God forbid you'd end up committing some violent act with a gun, I could just see some type of civil legal action taken towards a doctor that was dumb enough go to sign something like that.
As the laws are written, there is nothing whatsoever that even brings into question someone's qualification for a license to carry if they are being treated for PTSD. So why would you even want to bring that to the attention of state officials responsible for issuing licenses? That's about like you saying "Are you REALLY REALLY sure you want to give me a license to carry"
Think about the many thousands of veterans out there who have been diagnosed with PTSD from things they saw or were forced to do in combat. For every ONE officially diagnosed, I promise you there are at least the same number that have gone undiagnosed. Think they'd stand for being denied their right to arm themselves simply because they suffer from PTSD? NOPE!
PTSD is very treatable with a combination of medications and/or some type of therapy. Back to the OP's question regarding his friend, bottom line is why bring something to the attention of any state or federal agency, that isn't required by law? Which PTSD is not in and of itself. Of course with any medical condtion that is accompanied by any of the disqualifying behaviors, that's a different story, but PTSD by itself is not disqualifying and is not any official's business. Again, no disrespect to other advice given, I just don't think it is very wise to bring attention to something that is not required by law, just opens a can of worms that is better left closed...unless you are going fishin' :)


No offense taken. "Inform your Dr. that you need a statement on a letterhead stating: you are not deemed harmful to yourself or another person, and that you need it for work purposes." Where does the above statement say anything about LTC? All the statement is asking for is assurance that the person is not a threat.

GC §411.172. ELIGIBILITY.
(d)(1) has been diagnosed by a licensed physician as suffering from a psychiatric disorder or condition that causes or is likely to cause substantial impairment in judgment, mood, perception, impulse control, or intellectual ability;
(2) suffers from a psychiatric disorder or condition described by Subdivision (1) that:
(A) is in remission but is reasonably likely to redevelop at a future time; or
(B) requires continuous medical treatment to avoid redevelopment;


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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby TreyHouston » Tue May 30, 2017 1:37 pm

Are you taking my "word for it" as a medical professional? I didn't stay in a holiday inn. :biggrinjester: I was more referring to the stigma of both.
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby Jigo23 » Tue May 30, 2017 1:57 pm

Ok, I get now that you meant telling the doctor "the letter" is needed for work and not "the LTC", but that wouldn't change anything on my opinion about that. It's still an effort to deceive and to be honest, anybody that needed such a letter as that probably shouldn't have a LTC. Again, simply being diagnosed as having PTSD is not grounds for denying someone the right to bear arms. Never has been, believe me if that was possible Obama would have done it long ago; so why draw special attention to yourself where none is warranted?

Right, I read the eligibility rules again. Still don't see anything in there related to simply PTSD. I know a lot of dudes who have been/are being treated for it and nothing in that section that I know of applies to any of them. Now If someone has PTSD AND other mental disorders characterized by those behaviors stated, then I would agree that they probably shouldn't have access to firearms.

Just my $.02 for what it's worth. if I was the friend the OP was referring to, I would simply take "YES" for an answer and get my LTC just like any other sane and law-abiding citizen would, unless there is more to the story than provided by the OP.
Good discussions though, it can be such a gray area when it comes to diagnosing, documenting, and sharing mental health related information with local, state, and federal government agencies responsible for carrying out the laws of the land. I know none of us wants mentally disturbed and dangerous people to have access to guns, it's very difficult to actually ensure this doesn't happen without wrongly infringing on some people's rights. I sure can't blame anybody for being distrustful when it comes to dealing with government bureaucracies at any level.
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby Jigo23 » Tue May 30, 2017 2:03 pm

TreyHouston wrote:Are you taking my "word for it" as a medical professional? I didn't stay in a holiday inn. :biggrinjester: I was more referring to the stigma of both.

Hey we found a Dr to sign those letters for us...Thanks Dr TreyHouston! Do you have a prescription pad too by chance? :)

Right, no doubt about it that stigma is there thanks to either the actions of a very few or what's seen on movie/tv screens
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby RogueUSMC » Wed May 31, 2017 9:09 am

It's a 'don't ask, don't tell' thing. If, at a later date, issues arise, let due process be the facilitator as to the removal of a constitutional right...
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby 1s1k52 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:09 am

I told the guy I didn't remember anything being brought about it but it doesn't take much for me to renew mine (LEO) so I suggested he go through the application. I suggested if it doesn't ask there shouldn't be a reason to mention it.

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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby twomillenium » Sat Jun 03, 2017 6:48 am

1s1k52 wrote:I told the guy I didn't remember anything being brought about it but it doesn't take much for me to renew mine (LEO) so I suggested he go through the application. I suggested if it doesn't ask there shouldn't be a reason to mention it.

Thanks for the replies.

Ah, but the application does ask. Form CHL-78c Reported History Form, which is also in the online application. :tiphat:
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Re: PTSD and obtaining a LTC

Postby Jigo23 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:51 am

Ok, my last post was deleted because I didn't follow forum rules so I apologize for the harsh words I used to describe another member here.

To the OP, please advise your friend to disregard the completely incorrect and totally false information posted regarding the application process. No where on the application does it ask or even mention PTSD or anything remotely pertaining to PTSD in and of itself. Is your friend a Veteran? If so, I would encourage them to contact the DAV (Disabled American Veterans) who can assist and offer sound and correct information regarding Veterans rights. They will reiterate what I have told you. You can also contact the NRA and they will also confirm that. Again, Unless your friend suffers from the specific conditions stated on the form, then they have nothing to worry about whatsoever.
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