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I get that MC is kind of a no brain-er..5thGenTexan wrote:Ahhh the Bandidos can't possibly be a street gang
Are they permitted to carry in the truck and on (bags)their vehicles (motorcycles). I'm clear on the truck but not a cycle.E.Marquez wrote:On the motorcycle and in the truck.... But that is the obvious and simple answer, so either i don't understand your question or you were being rhetoricalWTR wrote:They were arrested in TX. 4 on cycles and one in a truck. Where does the MPV take effect.
E.Marquez wrote:I get that MC is kind of a no brain-er..5thGenTexan wrote:Ahhh the Bandidos can't possibly be a street gang
But the question is the same.
Is there a listing of "clubs" "groups" or what ever you want to call them that Texas has determined to meet the "street Gang" legal definition.
I don't agree with it one bit but the law allows those who are affiliated with a gang can get a LTC. The 1% patch and LTC should never go together. They shouldn't be able to get downwind of a firearm much less have a license to carry it. Just my opinion. The ones who have a LTC are the same ones who participate in Toys for Tots and other good charitable organizations. The "clean crew" they are known as purpose is to show they public they are good people and many take the bait.Jusme wrote:E.Marquez wrote:I get that MC is kind of a no brain-er..5thGenTexan wrote:Ahhh the Bandidos can't possibly be a street gang
But the question is the same.
Is there a listing of "clubs" "groups" or what ever you want to call them that Texas has determined to meet the "street Gang" legal definition.
This is along the same line as my question. While the Banditos, have been named as a group, associated with organized criminal activity, in news stories, do they fall under the definition of an organized street gang, according to Texas statute? I am fully aware of their activities, and exploits, over the years, and I am never going to defend them, but arresting LTC holders, who are members, seems akin to, the terrorist watch list. How would you know you are on it, if it is not known to the general public? Again, I am not a defender of the banditos, or any other group so intimately associated with criminal activity, but how easily can someone else be secretly classified as a member of a criminal street gang?
Just playing devils advocate.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/InternetForms ... TC-78A.pdfScottDLS wrote:There is no prohibition on getting an LTC or carrying under LTC while being a member of a criminal street gang. Unless you have been convicted of a crime or fail other criteria to get a LTC, you may get one.
If Banditos are a criminal street gang, then they may not carry under MPA. The solution for those Banditos that qualify is that they get a LTC.
Yes, but you don't have access to it unless you're a law enforcement agency.E.Marquez wrote:I get that MC is kind of a no brain-er..5thGenTexan wrote:Ahhh the Bandidos can't possibly be a street gang
But the question is the same.
Is there a listing of "clubs" "groups" or what ever you want to call them that Texas has determined to meet the "street Gang" legal definition.
Tier 2: Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Gang
Formed in the 1960s, the Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Gang
(OMG) tends to conduct its illegal activities as covertly as
possible and has historically avoided high-profile activities,
such as drive-by shootings, that many street gangs tend to
commit. However, members are not covert about making
their presence known, frequently wearing their gang colors,
insignia, and riding in large groups. They have sought to turn
public sentiment in their favor by organizing frequent charity
runs. Bandidos are likely to focus on recruiting new members
with no criminal history.
Ongoing Conflict Involving Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Gang in Texas
On May 17, 2015, a violent confrontation involving the Bandidos outlaw motorcycle gang and members
of other motorcycle clubs at a restaurant in Waco, Texas, resulted in the death of nine people and injuries
to at least 20. Details of the incident remain under investigation, though the violent conflict occurred in
the context of increasing tension between Bandidos and several other groups, most notably the Cossacks
MC.
The conflict between the Bandidos and the Cossacks appears to have originated from territorial disputes.
Cossacks members have recently started wearing the Texas patch on the bottom of their vests without the
approval of the Bandidos. Traditionally, the Bandidos have been the dominant motorcycle club in Texas,
and thus no other club is allowed to wear the Texas patch without their consent. The incident in Waco
was preceded by a series of violent incidents reportedly associated with the Bandidos. The majority of
these incidents occurred in the northern half of the state.
This conflict and the violent incident in Waco highlight the public safety threat posed by gangs and gang
rivalries. Law enforcement continues to monitor the conflict involving these groups due to the potential
for additional violence or further escalations.
Does not seem to matter.swilkes wrote:could they have gotten their LTC before being a BANDIDO?
E.Marquez wrote:https://www.dps.texas.gov/InternetForms ... TC-78A.pdfScottDLS wrote:There is no prohibition on getting an LTC or carrying under LTC while being a member of a criminal street gang. Unless you have been convicted of a crime or fail other criteria to get a LTC, you may get one.
If Banditos are a criminal street gang, then they may not carry under MPA. The solution for those Banditos that qualify is that they get a LTC.
I stand corrected, I thought I remembered a check box for "Have you lately dismembered a body as part of a criminal gang" YES NO
Or words to that effect.
I guess they figure the background check covers the need, vice the self admitted "not in a gang" status a person carrying under MPA would need.
Strange for sure...
But that revelation makes me ask...If the report I read is correct and some of those arrested had an LTC, why were they charged with UCW because they were gang members?
