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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby SewTexas » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:41 pm

I spotted a guy carrying at my sister's church once. Wasn't printing or anything, but he had a bright sliver J clip on a black belt with his jacket off.....dead give-away for someone else who carries and is sitting, and standing, behind him in church.

we need to invent interchangeable hooks for holsters..... hmmmmm :headscratch
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby allisji » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:06 am

Oldgringo wrote:I see terms such as Steward, Elder and various Pastoral ranks mentioned throughout this thread. In our small FUMC, we have a Pastor and a Choir Director. What size and what denominations are y'all talkin' about that has all of these middle and upper management positions runnin' the show?

With all due respect, just askin'.....


We are small congregation, usually have maybe 70 or 80 people in worship, and steward is not a job title or a position in our church, I should not have capitalized it, but it is the term that he used to indicate that he takes some degree of responsibility for people who are coming and going. However, the term is often used as a catch all for people who participate as ushers, greeters, pastors, teachers, worship leaders, secretaries, clerks, administrators, committee chairs, committee members, cleaning team, etc.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby allisji » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:12 am

SewTexas wrote:I spotted a guy carrying at my sister's church once. Wasn't printing or anything, but he had a bright sliver J clip on a black belt with his jacket off.....dead give-away for someone else who carries and is sitting, and standing, behind him in church.

we need to invent interchangeable hooks for holsters..... hmmmmm :headscratch


belt clips serve, kinda by accident, as sort of an ID badge for members of a secret society of concealed carriers.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Tex1961 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:36 am

While were on the subject of guns and churches.. Is there any other congregation out there in the North Texas area that have any sort of shooting group. We are a Lutheran Church in Frisco and we have a small group that competes with one another and also working on a competition shoot with another Lutheran church. We welcome all, so if your interested let me know.. We would love to share the fellowship and sport with you all.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby RPBrown » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:11 am

Most of our church know I and others carry. We are a motorcycle friendly church and do frequent rides together. Shirts tend to blow up exposing your weapon when doing 40+ MPH. Our pastor has his CHL, now LTC as does several of the folks in our congregation, men and women.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Jusme » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:40 am

As a member if the praise band, I am up on stage during a large portion of the service. Our previous pastor, knew that I carry, and he had no issues with it. As far as I know, the only other person in our congregation, who knows that I carry, is our drummer, who just recently completed his LTC class and applied for his license. He plans to carry as soon as he gets his plastic. I have no idea about our new pastor's views on carrying, and have no plans to ask. I do know that there are other members who have their LTC, but as to their carry status on any given Sunday, I can't say.
The associate pastor, may have just been curious, but his lack of tact, and discretion, is unsettling. I agree with Charles, and others, who advise to just let the issue drop. If it is still bothering the OP, perhaps he can mention the issue to the pastor, and explain that carrying, is a personal decision and having to answer questions about it during the service, is off putting. He could then speak to the AP and perhaps help him to become more discreet about things. JMHO
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby couzin » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:36 am

Oldgringo wrote:I see terms such as Steward, Elder and various Pastoral ranks mentioned throughout this thread. In our small FUMC, we have a Pastor and a Choir Director. What size and what denominations are y'all talkin' about that has all of these middle and upper management positions runnin' the show?

With all due respect, just askin'.....


We are Presbyterian - does not matter the size of congregation, the elected Elders for the most part rule the church through Session (the group of Elders headed up by the Clerk of Session - the Pastor is there to moderate and keep order (and he/she REALLY needs to do that on occasion). We do have congregational meetings to vote on some items, but for the majority of items, budget, undertakings, use of funds, etc., Session rules. The Pastor leads us but really does not have control over much at the church level, in fact, they are assigned to the church and are employed by the Presbytery. Above us is the Presbytery, above them is the Synod, and ruling all our actions is the General Assembly (God above all). I too long for the small wooden church of my youth where we had a "preacher" and not much else, and 'stuff' just got taken care of...
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:17 am

I have to admit that some of the posts by open-carry supporters and practitioners taking a "it's none of their business if I'm carrying" approach caused me to chuckle.

Apparently, I'm in the minority on this issue. Although it rarely happens, when I'm asked if I'm carrying a gun, I almost always respond "yes." I then use their question as an opportunity to discuss and promote the carrying of self-defense handguns. I'm not offended by the question and I don't mind others hearing it and my response. It let's me be an ambassador for over one million LTCs. As I noted, I'm rarely asked that question because everyone who knows me knows that I'm always carrying a self-defense handgun. I've been asked that question most often by those attending various functions where I'm a guest speaker. These are usually, but not always, "friendly" audiences, but on occasion there are people in the audience that are opposed to guns.

I agree with those who, for tactical reasons, don't want bad guys to know they are armed. That's why I don't open-carry. However, I don't feel that disclosing that I have a handgun in response to a question puts me in danger. I've never heard of a potential attacker first asking the intended victim if they are armed. :mrgreen:

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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Oldgringo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:47 am

couzin wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:I see terms such as Steward, Elder and various Pastoral ranks mentioned throughout this thread. In our small FUMC, we have a Pastor and a Choir Director. What size and what denominations are y'all talkin' about that has all of these middle and upper management positions runnin' the show?

With all due respect, just askin'.....


We are Presbyterian - does not matter the size of congregation, the elected Elders for the most part rule the church through Session (the group of Elders headed up by the Clerk of Session - the Pastor is there to moderate and keep order (and he/she REALLY needs to do that on occasion). We do have congregational meetings to vote on some items, but for the majority of items, budget, undertakings, use of funds, etc., Session rules. The Pastor leads us but really does not have control over much at the church level, in fact, they are assigned to the church and are employed by the Presbytery. Above us is the Presbytery, above them is the Synod, and ruling all our actions is the General Assembly (God above all). I too long for the small wooden church of my youth where we had a "preacher" and not much else, and 'stuff' just got taken care of...

Hence the rise of the "Cowboy Churches".

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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby oljames3 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:55 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have to admit that some of the posts by open-carry supporters and practitioners taking a "it's none of their business if I'm carrying" approach caused me to chuckle.

Apparently, I'm in the minority on this issue. Although it rarely happens, when I'm asked if I'm carrying a gun, I almost always responsd "yes." I then use their question as an opportunity to discuss and promote the carrying of self-defense handguns. I'm not offended by the question and I don't mind others hearing it and my response. It let's me be an ambassador for over one million LTCs. As I noted, I'm rarely asked that question because everyone who knows me knows that I'm always carrying a self-defense handgun. I've been asked that question most often by those attending various functions where I'm a guest speaker. These are usually, but not always, "friendly" audiences, but on occasion there are people in the audience that are opposed to guns.

I agree with those who, for tactical reasons, don't want bad guys to know they are armed. That's why I don't open-carry. However, I don't feel that disclosing that I have a handgun in response to a question puts me in danger. I've never heard of a potential attacker first asking the intended victim if they are armed. :mrgreen:

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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Liberty » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:24 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:I have to admit that some of the posts by open-carry supporters and practitioners taking a "it's none of their business if I'm carrying" approach caused me to chuckle.

Apparently, I'm in the minority on this issue. Although it rarely happens, when I'm asked if I'm carrying a gun, I almost always respond "yes." I then use their question as an opportunity to discuss and promote the carrying of self-defense handguns. I'm not offended by the question and I don't mind others hearing it and my response. It let's me be an ambassador for over one million LTCs. As I noted, I'm rarely asked that question because everyone who knows me knows that I'm always carrying a self-defense handgun. I've been asked that question most often by those attending various functions where I'm a guest speaker. These are usually, but not always, "friendly" audiences, but on occasion there are people in the audience that are opposed to guns.

I agree with those who, for tactical reasons, don't want bad guys to know they are armed. That's why I don't open-carry. However, I don't feel that disclosing that I have a handgun in response to a question puts me in danger. I've never heard of a potential attacker first asking the intended victim if they are armed. :mrgreen:

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I look forward to opportunities to promote the arming of good responsible citizens, and although I CC as a matter of course, I normally don't mind discussing with folks the fact that I am armed. I find that at certain places discretion might be the better philosophy. I always carried at the workplace, and although we weren't expressly prohibited I was careful about it being known that I did carry on a regular basis. My reasoning was I didn't want anyone making an issue of it that resulted in no-gun policy or a 30-06 sign.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Jusme » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:00 pm

I agree with Charles, in that if I am asked if I am carrying( which since I OC most of the time hasn't happened to me) I will answer in the affirmative. I CC at church, because I don't want anyone's focus to be on me, or my gun, while there to worship. That said, I understand the OP position in that the question, should have been asked in a more private setting, and not while sitting in a pew. Many members of my church have seen me in public, OC, so they may,or may not be aware that I CC in church.
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby SewTexas » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:59 pm

I CC all the time as I tend to hang out with women, many older than I am. But yeh, if I'm asked, I'll answer, I love to "evangelize" and turn people toward the wonders of self-protection..... :biggrinjester:
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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby Jeff B. » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:01 pm

Just my opinion, but I feel that rasing the issue publically of asking "if your carrying" is poor manners and "bad form".

I took a couple of guys that work with me that asked that question somewhat loudly when we were at an informal business dinner, aside and explained my view to them, with the added explanation that the company is not "weapons friendly" and since this was somewhat of a company function, no, I was not carrying as I respect the rules, regulations and policies of the company :thewave to the best of my ability.

As its been brought up, it IS an opportunity to evangelize a bit...

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Re: Called out in church on my CC

Postby troglodyte » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:18 pm

I guess I'm in Charles' boat. While I carry concealed at church to avoid being a distraction many know I carry and that I'm an instructor. I've helped or later taught approx. 150 of our members to become LTCs. I advised the Eldership on open-carry and wrote our policy. I've been discovered on several occasions by innocent pats or hugs. I don't even bother trying to position myself so somebody doesn't touch my gun or spare mags. I've been bumped frisked a few times and I good-naturedly make some friendly quip and go on. If someone asks I engage them in conversation, answer any questions I can, and try to be a positive ambassador. On a number of occasions I've been thanked. Occasionally I pick up another student but mostly people just see a friendly old soul that just happens to carry a gun.

I appreciate the "nobody's business" mindset but I am more interested in promoting carry than keeping it a secret.


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