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Alliance Air Show

Postby TVGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:07 pm

I'm thinking about taking my father and son to the Alliance Air Show this weekend. I was really looking at their site for schedule information, but happened upon the "prohibited items" list. I was actually surprised to see that they didn't mention weapons at all. I clearly can't take my tent, pet, awning, skateboard, or favorite adult beverage...it says nothing about weapons whether LTC or not.


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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby TreyHouston » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:20 pm

I worked the Ellinton air show this last weekend. Here is a hint, if its in an airport, same TSA rules apply. Look at a map and see if its on an airport!
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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby Keith B » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:31 pm

It's only prohibited by TSA in the secured area of the airport, so if you are not in the sterile area behind the security check point, then you legally can carry at an airport.
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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby RoyGBiv » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:43 pm

IIRC, there were "no weapons" signs (no 30.xx) and they were checking all bags at the gate last year.
If I was carrying concealed with no bags I would not have any hesitation about entering.
It's an unsecured area of an airport just like picking up my wife at DFW.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby eyet » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:19 pm

TreyHouston wrote:I worked the Ellinton air show this last weekend. Here is a hint, if its in an airport, same TSA rules apply. Look at a map and see if its on an airport!


I’m not sure you can make any assumptions based on Ellington. It seems to have an odd civil and military status.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby aero10 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:27 pm

This is on their FAQ:
Q12. Which items are restricted?
Answer: Food, drinks, coolers of any kind, portable awnings/tents, alcoholic beverages, pets, bicycles, firearms, skate boards, scooters or in-line skates are not allowed on the grounds, including the parking areas. Please see the show tips page for more information.

I don't remember what type of signs were up last year. I don't believe there are any type of metal detectors though. TSA isn't a factor because the airport isn't a commercial passenger airport.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby TVGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:04 pm

aero10 wrote:This is on their FAQ:
Q12. Which items are restricted?
Answer: Food, drinks, coolers of any kind, portable awnings/tents, alcoholic beverages, pets, bicycles, firearms, skate boards, scooters or in-line skates are not allowed on the grounds, including the parking areas. Please see the show tips page for more information.

I don't remember what type of signs were up last year. I don't believe there are any type of metal detectors though. TSA isn't a factor because the airport isn't a commercial passenger airport.


Interesting. So, if you go to the "entry restrictions" section of the site it lists out a number of items. This does not include firearms. If you go to the FAQ it says what you quoted. Hmmm

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby TVGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:08 pm

TreyHouston wrote:I worked the Ellinton air show this last weekend. Here is a hint, if its in an airport, same TSA rules apply. Look at a map and see if its on an airport!


That is not correct at all. I'm in airports fairly regularly and carried on planes. Private planes in non-secured areas of an airport are not prohibited. (Munis or private airports) I know a number of people that fly out of large (Love Field) airports and carry on their own planes.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby AJSully421 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:53 pm

Not a building, not a sterile area, owned by the City of Fort Worth, so legally they cannot post.

I went several years ago and there were 30.06 signs, but I can personally assure you that someone could carry a G17 all day out there and no one would say a word to you.
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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby Rrash » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:38 pm

They used to post 30.06 on their website, which is not enforceable. I guess they don't do that anymore? I've always carried out there. I believe last time I went there, it was a security checkpoint (manned by JROTC) where they look in your bags. No metal detectors, and it certainly does not meet anything close to the requirements of a secure area by TSA standards. Carry on.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby aero10 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:19 pm

There were no signs up today. There was a generic no firearms entering the parking areas but nothing whatsoever at the entrance gate. There was a bag check at the entrance, but it's a complete joke, just volunteers (many looked to be high school maybe college aged) looking in the top once you open the bag. I didn't see any police, security, etc. anywhere near the entrances; they were all doing traffic control.

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Re: Alliance Air Show

Postby TVGuy » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:06 am

I was out there and carried away. I think the main point of the bag check was to ensure there were not drinks being brought in. Strict no cooler rule and making people pour out water before entry. There was alcohol for sale and that would have been illegal to allow people to bring their own.


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