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New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby sailor2000 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:23 pm

see article https://www.click2houston.com/news/into ... police-say

Here is my question :

How could they arrest a person for " unlawfully carrying a weapon and trespassing" when he was a registered guest of the hotel AND was not carrying at the time of arrest, if the report is in fact true? He, from the report, was not carrying and had the weapons stored in a "premises under his control"?

Note: The story has been changed from earlier today. The earlier report stated he was arrested for unlawful possession of a weapon.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby philip964 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:39 pm

This is the big major headline on Drudge this morning.

However a comment posted by a reader may put this into perspective. There is a gun show in downtown Houston this weekend.

It was just three guns afterall.

I have not confirmed accuracy of the gun show comment.

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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby spectre » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:40 pm

sailor2000 wrote:Here is my question :

How could they arrest a person for " unlawfully carrying a weapon and trespassing" when he was a registered guest of the hotel AND was not carrying at the time of arrest, if the report is in fact true? He, from the report, was not carrying and had the weapons stored in a "premises under his control"?

It's Houston.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby spectre » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:42 pm

philip964 wrote:This is the big major headline on Drudge this morning.

However a comment posted by a reader may put this into perspective. There is a gun show in downtown Houston this weekend.

It was just three guns afterall.

I have not confirmed accuracy of the gun show comment.

GRB website says yes. High Caliber Gun & Knife Show http://www.grbhouston.com/attendees/events-calendar/

Still, it's Houston, where Sylvester Turner is the mayor and Art Acevedo is the police chief.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby philip964 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:45 pm

Yep Gun show just down the street.

This one appears to be two minutes sooner than the other similar thread. Its really tough to be that close to the prize and yet not make it.

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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby flowrie » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:52 pm

I have stayed at this hotel. It is posted, also posted on its website, not that I agree, but it is posted. So it is what it is.
He concealed and carried to his room.
This hotel is not cheap, to stay there on New Years eve just makes it more expensive, so I doubt the guy is there just for a gun show.
Then add in drunk and disorderly which reflects additional poor judgement, I have no sympathy for the guy, based on the available information. He has a bad case of stupid.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby rotor » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:12 pm

flowrie wrote:I have stayed at this hotel. It is posted, also posted on its website, not that I agree, but it is posted. So it is what it is.
He concealed and carried to his room.
This hotel is not cheap, to stay there on New Years eve just makes it more expensive, so I doubt the guy is there just for a gun show.
Then add in drunk and disorderly which reflects additional poor judgement, I have no sympathy for the guy, based on the available information. He has a bad case of stupid.

I didn't see any posting on their website but the fine for not posting is only $100 for the hotel. Failure to post on the website will probably not get this guy off the hook but perhaps he has a smart lawyer.


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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby sailor2000 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:17 pm

Hmmm... With the warning that all these questions are based on the current version of the Chronicle story

1) He was not "carrying" when arrested, so does 30.06 apply since he had it in a "premise under his control"?
2) Since he rented the room and the room fee includes use of the Hotel public areas, to what parts of the property does "premise under his control" extend?
3) Could he have been charged with any weapons related offense had the handgun been absent?

4) And lastly, I cannot resist, since 3 guns is an Arsenal, how many rounds does it take to qualify as "many" in the Chronicle?
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby sailor2000 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:19 pm

rotor wrote:
flowrie wrote:I have stayed at this hotel. It is posted, also posted on its website, not that I agree, but it is posted. So it is what it is.
He concealed and carried to his room.
This hotel is not cheap, to stay there on New Years eve just makes it more expensive, so I doubt the guy is there just for a gun show.
Then add in drunk and disorderly which reflects additional poor judgement, I have no sympathy for the guy, based on the available information. He has a bad case of stupid.

I didn't see any posting on their website but the fine for not posting is only $100 for the hotel. Failure to post on the website will probably not get this guy off the hook but perhaps he has a smart lawyer.


If you book on line the 30.06 notice is in the Ts and Cs you agree to when booking the room. I have no experience walking in and booking a room so I don't know if they give you notice at the desk.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby sailor2000 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:23 pm

More data here

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 993235001/

Looks like the guy really worked at getting arrested.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby Flightmare » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:39 pm

sailor2000 wrote:If you book on line the 30.06 notice is in the Ts and Cs you agree to when booking the room. I have no experience walking in and booking a room so I don't know if they give you notice at the desk.


That's assuming you used their site and not one of the many of other travel sites (ie. Travelocity, Expedia, Priceline)
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby flowrie » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:37 pm

Good news!
However, guns and alcohol should not be mixed.

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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby OneGun » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:21 pm

The Hyatt Regency is a registered Criminal Protection Zone with both 30.06 and 30.07 signs. The person trespassed with this gun. That the cause for the gun-related charges. The remaining charges are due to his lack of sobriety.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:54 pm

It looks like Houston PD got this right in the end. He was a registered guest in the hotel, so 30.06 / 30.07 would not apply to the handguns he had in his room, and would obviously never apply to the AR. Plus it doesn't look like he was actually carrying any guns while he was intoxicated.

There is an interesting conundrum here, though. Apparently he left the guns (hopefully secured) in his room and was out of his room getting drunk, unarmed. So far, so good. But when the hotel asked him to leave, he faced a real issue. Namely, how does he get his guns out of the room without carrying them in his intoxicated state, which would be a no-no. And then where does he take the guns? If he takes them to his vehicle, then my understanding is that as soon as he walks up to his truck, drunk, and with keys in hand, he could be charged with DUI (LEO's please correct me if I am mistaken here). I guess the safest course of action at that point would probably be to comply with the request to leave but refuse to retrieve his belongings (especially his guns) from the hotel room, and simply tell management that he would come back to pick them up after he sobered up. Then take an Uber to another hotel for the night. And from the sound of things, I doubt he was in the right state of mind to make this type of calm reasoned decision.

The moral of the story seems to be that if you are gonna get drunk on New Years Eve, don't make a fool of yourself in your own hotel. Go drink somewhere else instead.
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Re: New Year's eve arrest at Houston Hyatt

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:57 pm

sailor2000 wrote:4) And lastly, I cannot resist, since 3 guns is an Arsenal, how many rounds does it take to qualify as "many" in the Chronicle?


By this count, I currently have a "small arsenal" in my car, and another "small arsenal" in my bedroom. Along with a "Mucho Grande arsenal" in my gun safe. I occasionally even carry a "small arsenal" on my body.

I wonder if the 3 vehicles in my driveway constitute a "small car lot"?
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