Tragic outcome. The article states that he had not even been charged with any offense. The investigation is for some gun sales Malinowski made. They could have simply knocked on his door. Bad shoot and bad tactics in my opinion.
This reeks of Clinton's Waco tactics. They wanted to make a big show when they could have arrested Howell aka David Koresh on one of his jogging forays.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
Tragic outcome. The article states that he had not even been charged with any offense. The investigation is for some gun sales Malinowski made. They could have simply knocked on his door. Bad shoot and bad tactics in my opinion.
This reeks of Clinton's Waco tactics. They wanted to make a big show when they could have arrested Howell aka David Koresh on one of his jogging forays.
Seems as if this regime likes to show the plebes what can happen if we get out of line. J6 hostages, ATF raids, FBI raids. These people are sick.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
More info. Now looking like ATF did their job in taking down someone illegally selling firearms to anyone.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:38 pm
by E10
Probably flaunting the law, but there surely is a better, safer way to do it. This bravado, no-knock stuff gets people killed. The wounded ATF agent was very lucky.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:46 pm
by wheelgun1958
E10 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:38 pm
Probably flaunting the law, but there surely is a better, safer way to do it. This bravado, no-knock stuff gets people killed. The wounded ATF agent was very lucky.
There was a better way for Randy Weaver. There was a better way for David Koresh. Nazis have always enjoyed killing.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
E10 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:38 pm
Probably flaunting the law, but there surely is a better, safer way to do it. This bravado, no-knock stuff gets people killed. The wounded ATF agent was very lucky.
There was a better way for Randy Weaver. There was a better way for David Koresh. Nazis have always enjoyed killing.
Had a public job. Goes to work regularly every day. A knock warrant served at 10:00 am on a work day. Pretty easy.
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:14 am
by puma guy
E10 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:38 pm
Probably flaunting the law, but there surely is a better, safer way to do it. This bravado, no-knock stuff gets people killed. The wounded ATF agent was very lucky.
In my opinion there was a much, much better way. Keep in mind the man had no pending charges against him. He was suspected of violating the tenets of the 4473 from by quickly selling purchased firearms and made one apparently in a sting and strangely they didn't arrest him at that time. In a private sale which is what the man engaged in, albeit in violation, there is no requirement to verify the buyer is legally able to own a firearm. They mention they found guns in possession of illegal owners, but no mention if they actually bought from him or acquired them from someone else. Serving a search warrant would only be for the many firearms he had purchased still in his possession. Those guns were legally purchased from what was iterated in the article. It is not against the law to purchase 150 firearms as far as I am aware. Having no charges against him nor arrests he was in legal possession of those gun, so that evidence couldn't be used for a criminal charge. This was an example of over zealous and power hungry agents.
When I sold guns back in the mid 60's to early 70's we were regularly audited by arrogant, gun hating agents who gleefully looked for errors. The exposure I had to them proved they were all they same. The problems the audits revealed were minor. I.E. a firearm that was in layaway was still in our active sales file. The worst was an agent who came looking for a Marlin 30-30 sale. The person who bought it murdered someone with it in Louisiana. I had made the sale myself and remembered it and the man who purchased it. I was mounting a scope on the rifle and he said he needed ammo and I asked which bullet weight 150gr or 170? He jokingly asked which is better for squirrels and I replied he should get the heavier bullet. Anyway, we gave the agent all the info and showed him the 4473. He had accused us of selling it illegally to an out of state buyer but the 4473 form showed his Texas DL. (Back then an out of state buyer could purchase a long gun) The agent actually (actually there were two) was plenty miffed and guilt tripped me for selling the gun to someone who used it to kill a person. Basically saying if I hadn't sold that weapon an innocent person wouldn't have died. Without considering any ramifications, I said would you say the same thing to a person who sold a car to someone who caused the death of a person with it? Well,that set him off, but good! He demanded to look at every aspect and record of ours sales. Thousands. He spent three days with us. I can't say what I would define him as, but a proctologist would be very familiar with it.
The man didn't deserve to be killed for the crime he was accused of. What if some other family member had reacted with a gun to unknowns breaking down the door? Sorry to be so long winded, but I still think it's a bad shoot and totally unacceptable actions by these agents and the superior who planned it. There were safer alternatives. BTW has anyone seen a factual report it was Malinowski who shot the agent or if it was friendly fire?
Re: No place but Arkansas- Clinton Airport Director shot dead by ATF
E10 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:38 pm
Probably flaunting the law, but there surely is a better, safer way to do it. This bravado, no-knock stuff gets people killed. The wounded ATF agent was very lucky.
In my opinion there was a much, much better way. Keep in mind the man had no pending charges against him. He was suspected of violating the tenets of the 4473 from by quickly selling purchased firearms and made one apparently in a sting and strangely they didn't arrest him at that time. In a private sale which is what the man engaged in, albeit in violation, there is no requirement to verify the buyer is legally able to own a firearm. They mention they found guns in possession of illegal owners, but no mention if they actually bought from him or acquired them from someone else. Serving a search warrant would only be for the many firearms he had purchased still in his possession. Those guns were legally purchased from what was iterated in the article. It is not against the law to purchase 150 firearms as far as I am aware. Having no charges against him nor arrests he was in legal possession of those gun, so that evidence couldn't be used for a criminal charge. This was an example of over zealous and power hungry agents.
When I sold guns back in the mid 60's to early 70's we were regularly audited by arrogant, gun hating agents who gleefully looked for errors. The exposure I had to them proved they were all they same. The problems the audits revealed were minor. I.E. a firearm that was in layaway was still in our active sales file. The worst was an agent who came looking for a Marlin 30-30 sale. The person who bought it murdered someone with it in Louisiana. I had made the sale myself and remembered it and the man who purchased it. I was mounting a scope on the rifle and he said he needed ammo and I asked which bullet weight 150gr or 170? He jokingly asked which is better for squirrels and I replied he should get the heavier bullet. Anyway, we gave the agent all the info and showed him the 4473. He had accused us of selling it illegally to an out of state buyer but the 4473 form showed his Texas DL. (Back then an out of state buyer could purchase a long gun) The agent actually (actually there were two) was plenty miffed and guilt tripped me for selling the gun to someone who used it to kill a person. Basically saying if I hadn't sold that weapon an innocent person wouldn't have died. Without considering any ramifications, I said would you say the same thing to a person who sold a car to someone who caused the death of a person with it? Well,that set him off, but good! He demanded to look at every aspect and record of ours sales. Thousands. He spent three days with us. I can't say what I would define him as, but a proctologist would be very familiar with it.
The man didn't deserve to be killed for the crime he was accused of. What if some other family member had reacted with a gun to unknowns breaking down the door? Sorry to be so long winded, but I still think it's a bad shoot and totally unacceptable actions by these agents and the superior who planned it. There were safer alternatives. BTW has anyone seen a factual report it was Malinowski who shot the agent or if it was friendly fire?
It’s been 5 years and we don’t know yet if the Harding Street raid whether the dead husband even fired a gun or if all the officers were hit by friendly fire.
The rapper PDiddy two mansions were raided by DHS in what appears to be all military styled equipment. Sex trafficking, drugs and or guns. Maybe he wore a MAGA hat once.
I think I know what sex trafficking is. Being rich and letting woman stay at your house and letting them drink, I didn’t think was sex trafficking. Why I think many famous people now get notarized statements now. Didn’t know this was a federal securing the homeland type of thing.
Re: No place but home- raid finds guns at P Diddy's house
They trashed his house. Uses Trumps "witch hunt" metaphor.
Re: No place but home- Fed raid on P Diddy's house finds guns
Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:40 pm
by RSX11
It’s been 5 years and we don’t know yet if the Harding Street raid whether the dead husband even fired a gun or if all the officers were hit by friendly fire.
The two murder charges against Goines in the Harding street case were dismissed a couple days back.