Lack of backstop in CHL 'class'!

XinTX · Post by **XinTX** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:31 am

"The sheriff's office will be investigating the class's instructor, who they say is not licensed to teach CHL classes."

http://www.kxii.com/news/headlines/Man- ... 04041.html

GRAYSON COUNTY, TEXAS -- A man was accidentally shot this afternoon by a stray bullet from a concealed handgun license class.

Lt. Rickey Wheeler with the Grayson County Sheriff's Office says students in a CHL class were shooting into a field at the Whitesboro rodeo grounds when a bullet struck a man who was fishing at a pond nearby.

The fisherman was taken to the hospital and is expected to be okay.

The students say they couldn't see anyone in the direction they were shooting.

The sheriff's office will be investigating the class's instructor, who they say is not licensed to teach CHL classes.

K.Mooneyham · Post by **K.Mooneyham** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:14 am

Seems to me if the instructor wasn't licensed, then it wasn't a CHL class.

XinTX · Post by **XinTX** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:04 am

K.Mooneyham wrote:Seems to me if the instructor wasn't licensed, then it wasn't a CHL class.

And even if he was licensed, if he's having students fire into an area where they cannot see their backstop, he shouldn't be.

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:20 am

I am up in this area. I would like to know what the "Instructor's" name is. If anyone finds out, please let me know.

FYI, the biggest CHL Training (Licensed) in this County is Red River Firearms in Sherman. And the majority of the Instructors are LEO's and the classes use the excellent indoor range at the Business.

So, it seems strange to me that there is someone "teaching" somewhere in a "field". And if they were, how long do they expect to continue if they are not a Licensed Instructor? The first class of fraudulent CHL-100's would be the last!

texanjoker · Post by **texanjoker** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:37 am

I would be very upset if I were fishing (normal activity) and I got shot by some clown that was shooting in an unsafe manner, and then to learn it was in a course?

gthaustex · Post by **gthaustex** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:43 am

Wow. The stupidity....
And of course, whether the instructor was approved or not, someone is going to look at this and say, "See, those CHL people are dangerous!!!!"

RJGold · Post by **RJGold** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:45 am

Pretty amazing to me that not one person in the group of students knew that shooting with no backstop is bad and had the fortitude to stop the shooting. I know it's a tough situation to be in but it just seems like someone in the group would have felt uneasy about the situation and stopped to ask some tough questions of the instructor.

Post by **Keith B** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:45 am

I will bet this instructor is doing certification for an out of state license and is not a Texas CHL instructor.

longtooth · Post by **longtooth** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:57 am

With Keith. Also could be a class of 2 or 3 & folks that are trying to get around the Texas class anyway are not going to be asking a lot of hard questions.

the guy.

AEA · Post by **AEA** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:11 am

I'm thinking there may be a possibility of a CHL Instructor that may be incapacitated for some reason and having a "buddy" do the class and the real instructor just signs the CHL-100's.

This would explain how the Sheriff determined the "instructor" at the site was not licensed.

Of course this is illegal, but stranger things have been brought to light before.

I have done a bit of research and come up with 3 names of instructors in the area of Whitesboro. One is well known and has a gun shop in the town and I know him to be on the up and up.

The other two appear to be not well known and have a very small web presence.

I will not post any of their names unless I find more about this and if I narrow it down to the culprit.

Post by **Crossfire** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:33 am

Keith B wrote:I will bet this instructor is doing certification for an out of state license and is not a Texas CHL instructor.

But, then they wouldn't have to be shooting.

JALLEN · Post by **JALLEN** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:06 pm

I have the Utah and Florida permits. One of them requires prior training, documented experience, or live fire quals. Maybe that's what they were doing, trying to qualify for an out of state permit.

Stupid no matter how you slice it, of course.

Maybe it's another example of The Old Rancher's oft heard admonition that "sometimes the cheapest oats have already been run through the horse."

Post by **Keith B** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:26 pm

Crossfire wrote:
Keith B wrote:I will bet this instructor is doing certification for an out of state license and is not a Texas CHL instructor.
But, then they wouldn't have to be shooting.

I don't know about that; you make people only taking the Utah course to qualify.

Post by **Crossfire** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:59 pm

Yeah, but that's me. AND, we have a backstop.

So, I guess both of those are overkill!

Post by **Keith B** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:09 pm

Crossfire wrote:Yeah, but that's me. AND, we have a backstop.

So, I guess both of those are overkill!

Yeah, you guys are so strict. Lighten up a little!!!

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