Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

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Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby philip964 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:53 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.nytim ... r.amp.html

Funny how my view of Wikilinks has changed.

You may remember Chelsea Manning as Bradley Manning.

Seems that solitary confinement in Fort Levinworth may not be the best punishment for attempted suicide.

My last thread on this subject got locked, so I'm being more careful with my comments.

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby RoyGBiv » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:06 pm

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby WTR » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:11 pm

I don't understand why we were suppose to pay for his sex change operations while he is in jail. Regardless, I'm sad to see a person attempt to end there life.

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Postby C-dub » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:23 pm

IIRC, suicide attempt rates of transgendered individuals are roughly 10x that of the entire population. His attempts might not be due to solitary confinement.
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby warnmar10 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:34 pm

C-dub wrote:IIRC, suicide attempt rates of transgendered individuals are roughly 10x that of the entire population. ...
I don't know if 10x is pre or post operative but the rate increases dramatically post operative.

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby C-dub » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:45 pm

warnmar10 wrote:
C-dub wrote:IIRC, suicide attempt rates of transgendered individuals are roughly 10x that of the entire population. ...
I don't know if 10x is pre or post operative but the rate increases dramatically post operative.

Sorry, I was talking about post-operative.
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby Abraham » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:17 am

WTR posted:

"I don't understand why we were suppose to pay for his sex change operations while he is in jail."

This particular taxpayer type gouging isn't exclusive to Bradley Manning.

Others prisoners are getting this done at taxpayer expense too.

I wonder what percentage of Conservatives think this is a sound way to spend tax money vs. how many liberals/socialists think it a sound idea?

Yes, yes I know Bruce Jenner is a quasi-sex change person who also happens to be politically Conservative, but there's an exception to everything. Plus, I don't think, though I don't know for certain, he accepted tax payer money for his various treatments.

On a side note, I've read he's regretting his decision and may go back to being a male as being transgender isn't what he thought it would be...

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby ELB » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:48 am

Unsurprising.

Bradley's -- I am not going to enable his mental illness by playing along -- attempts at suicide and "transgendering" are symptoms of a basic mental illness. John Hopkins medicos figured this out a long time ago. JH was one of the first to offer transgender surgery, because it was seen as a treatment for the patient's mental issues, which were claimed to be the result of "living in the wrong body." Then a new director asked asked a very basic question: What evidence is there that the patients' mental problems improved after surgery? Nobody had actually studied this, so off they went, to compare mental evaluations done before surgery with ones done after. Guess what? It didn't help. The "transgender problem" wasn't the cause of mental issues, it was just a symptom of them. So JH stopped doing the surgeries, since it wasn't treating anything.
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby Dave2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:26 pm

C-dub wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:
C-dub wrote:IIRC, suicide attempt rates of transgendered individuals are roughly 10x that of the entire population. ...
I don't know if 10x is pre or post operative but the rate increases dramatically post operative.

Sorry, I was talking about post-operative.

Out of curiosity, what's the general population's suicide rate?
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby anygunanywhere » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:40 pm

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby C-dub » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:33 pm

Dave2 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
warnmar10 wrote:
C-dub wrote:IIRC, suicide attempt rates of transgendered individuals are roughly 10x that of the entire population. ...
I don't know if 10x is pre or post operative but the rate increases dramatically post operative.

Sorry, I was talking about post-operative.

Out of curiosity, what's the general population's suicide rate?

I according to these two sites, the rate could be anywhere from about 2.5-4-5%, but that seems a bit high to me. They both seem to estimate the transgendered suicide attempt rate at around 40%, so who knows.

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/tra ... r-suicide/
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http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/w ... -Final.pdf

All I did was google 'transgender suicide attempt statistics.'
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby philip964 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:53 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailyn ... -1.3755057

Chelsea Manning (aka Bradley Manning) whose sentence was commuted by former President Obama (so nice to write that) has applied to run for The United States Senate in Maryland.

All kinds of things come to my mind but my last thread on this got locked and I promised I would be better.

Maryland.

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Postby LDB415 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:27 pm

Third time's the charm.
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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby crazy2medic » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:42 pm

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Re: Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide twice now.

Postby bblhd672 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:10 am

philip964 wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/chelsea-manning-files-run-u-s-senate-maryland-article-1.3755057

Chelsea Manning (aka Bradley Manning) whose sentence was commuted by former President Obama (so nice to write that) has applied to run for The United States Senate in Maryland.

All kinds of things come to my mind but my last thread on this got locked and I promised I would be better.

Maryland.


He will fit in quite well with the other deviant Democrats in Washington.
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