Calexit

[loktite]

I think a more reasonable approach would be to split it into 2 states maybe? But then again, smarter folks than me might find fault in it but either way, California needs a good spanking.

And there's the ticket, the fault lines! WE don't need a wall, just blow the fault lines, let them be an island :P

[tbrown]

Doesn't California pipe a lot of water from out of state?

It would be fantastic if President Trump turned off the tap and restored the water flow to natural courses. Californians are willing to make a few sacrifices to save the environment, aren't they?

[Jeff B.]

Funny, the same people calling for Calexit are the same ones who would call anyone from Texas wanting to separate a bunch of redneck wackos(Probably worst, keeping it PG for the forum).

Yes Sir!

It's an entirely different story when it's for their benefit.

That aside, I'm for doing anything possible to see that this movement is successful!

Jeff B.

[parabelum]

I support this. TYA.

And no Colorado river water etc. Bye.

[JustSomeOldGuy]

Cherry picking select quotes/topics from Tucker Carlson's interview of the liberal talking head from California;

I find the claim that California is in debt "because other nations don't purchase tech from Silicon Valley because they don't like America" to be specious. California is in debt because they've overloaded/mismanaged state infrastructure, and anyone who's not buying digital tech from them, is not buying because they're getting it cheaper elsewhere, most likely asia.

In addition, once the Colorado River water supply is cut off; agriculture in the central valley, and municipal water supplies in socal, are going to take a major hit. Or maybe we'll leave the diversion canals open, but California will now have to pay full market value for every gallon they receive. Guess we can kiss all those tourist attracting golf courses goodbye.

So the California Highway Patrol is going to guard their border with Mexico after secession? After the US Border Patrol/ICE has been shown the door. Really?

California is already buying electrical power from out of state sources (and losing money on it when they resell it instate due to state regulations). Given that "they don't like nuclear anything" in California, are they going to shut down the 10 nuclear power plants that are currently operating there? Are we going to allow a foreign country on our landmass to HAVE nuclear power? Possess fissionable material?
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... California)

Lastly, Texas is the only entity that has a legal right to secede, as we joined the USA from a sovereign nation status. California was purchased from Mexico in 1848.If they don't want to be in the US anymore, I suppose we could always sell them back to Mexico. Then California can try seceding from Mexico.
(http://www.history.com/topics/treaty-of ... pe-hidalgo)

If California gets to leave the union, then I want a legal guarantee that the former Confederate States of America may also leave the union if they so choose. (say, the next time, post-Trump, that the US elects another Hillary/Obama type)

[ELB]

My wish is that they'd vote to go, we'd let them go, and then their massive debt and promises to all the unions would crush them financially, with no possibility of help from Uncle Sam. Then we'd take them back over as a clean slate, a territory, let them reapply to be a state, reestablish government, require that they respect the 2A and balance their budget, etc . Unfortunately I don't think any of those things will happen.

But they will crater financially. I hope it's during The Donald's term - but not until his second one. Would take too much energy away from the good things that can be done now. I'm thinking he is probably the only President who would have enough spine to tell California's government and unions that Uncle Sugar will not bail them out, they will just have to go broke. This will require the Republicans to maintain the House and the Senate, but it will take someone like Trump to provide the backbone needed to tell Cali (and Chicago, and Detroit, etc) NO.

[Redneck_Buddha]

Doesn't California pipe a lot of water from out of state?

I think the 15 feet of snow this winter has alleviated their water issues...for now.

[bblhd672]

Also part of the agreement needs to be that citizens of the new country of California must sell to US citizens all real estate/land/leases/mineral rights etc that they currently own in the 49 states of the United States.

[jmra]

If this were ever to happen I suspect that the population would change drastically. Many with ties to other parts of the US (both family and business) would move out of necessity. Others would move out of security concerns and others would move out of loyalty to the union.
If the vote to secede was just over 50% then I would predict that either a 1/3 of the population could migrate to the US or, more probable IMO, resistance (through both civil protest and armed militia) could result in N. CA splitting off on it's on or deciding to remain part of the US. Either way, S. CA would see a massive influx of immigrants from Mexico if not an outright invasion.
The biggest issue however would be figuring out how to separate their economy from the national economy. The film industry in CA would collapse overnight. Once all those liberal movie stars realized how small the market for foreign films is in the US they would all catch the next "international" flight to the East coast.
Businesses with a national customer base would also abandon CA. In just a few short years gangs would be running the larger cities making the Mexican drug cartel look like child's play.
Of course when some one with a few brain cells actually sits down and looks at the financial ramifications this proposal will be DOA.

[The Annoyed Man]

Well, let's see........ Here's how I see it playing out in my fondest dreams........

1. "Calexit" passes as a ballot initiative with a huge majority of the vote, directing Gov Moonbeam and the State Asylum for the Legislatively Inclined in Sacramento to draw up documents for a formal secession from the Union, to be completed in 1 year.
2. The inmates of the Asylum and Gov Moonbeam begin drawing up documents, setting an official secession date.
3. POTUS Trump immediately orders the following actions, all to be completed 1 month before the official secession date:
   
   1. Federalize the California National Guard and deploy them to other bases outside of California.
   2. ALL federally owned military materiel, to include all transportation vehicles, all ships, all aircraft, all armored vehicles, all firearms, artillery, and other weaponry, all ammunition, all fuel stores including Naval Petroleum Reserves, all food stores, etc., to be removed from California and repositioned at other military installations outside of California.
   3. ALL federal military personnel based in California to be redeployed to other bases outside of California.
   4. The complete destruction of all vacated military facilities, to include implosion of all standing structures, filling in of all silos, demolition of all docks, ripping up of all runways, etc.
   5. The construction of border crossing stations at all Interstate highways and rail lines which enter the US from Californiastan.
4. Trump issues these executive order 1 month before secession is official:
   
   1. All California residents, military excepted, currently engaged in business or visiting in the other 49 states must return to California by secession date, or be classified as illegal aliens and deported if caught.
   2. Californians currently serving in the US military at the time of secession to be offered US citizenship if they want it. They have 30 days to decide yes or no. If they do not want it, then they must discharged and returned to California.
   3. All federal assistance dollars being paid to the state of California or to California counties and cities will be stopped immediately.
   4. All federal welfare, food stamp, and other individual assistance dollars to be stopped immediately.
   5. No Californians receiving welfare payments at the time of secession may enter the US after secession, unless they have proof of guaranteed employment in the US, plus a US sponsor.
   6. For 6 months following secession, Californians possessing professional skills may seek political asylum in the US.
   7. Beginning 24 hours after secession, all Californians wishing to enter the US must have both a California passport and obtain a visa.
5. Trump orders the severing of all non-interstate roadways between California and the US.
6. Trump sends a supplemental to Congress for funds to begin building an extension of the border wall/fence along the eastern and norther border of California.
7. Trump orders that:
   
   1. Diplomatic recognition of gov't of California be made dependent upon payment of all unpaid federal income taxes and/or capital gains taxes which were still due 24 hours before the date of secession.
   2. If Diplomatic recognition succeeds, then California must conclude a trade deal with US.
   3. Any trade deal concluded with California MUST contain a clause specifying a import/export duty on all products going into or out of California, to remain in place until the cost of building the border wall/fence extension around California has been paid for.

I wonder how they'll defend themselves from a Mexican invasion?

Man, that felt good!

[Lynyrd]

Well, let's see........ Here's how I see it playing out in my fondest dreams........

1. "Calexit" passes as a ballot initiative with a huge majority of the vote, directing Gov Moonbeam and the State Asylum for the Legislatively Inclined in Sacramento to draw up documents for a formal secession from the Union, to be completed in 1 year.
2. The inmates of the Asylum and Gov Moonbeam begin drawing up documents, setting an official secession date.
3. POTUS Trump immediately orders the following actions, all to be completed 1 month before the official secession date:
   
   1. Federalize the California National Guard and deploy them to other bases outside of California.
   2. ALL federally owned military materiel, to include all transportation vehicles, all ships, all aircraft, all armored vehicles, all firearms, artillery, and other weaponry, all ammunition, all fuel stores including Naval Petroleum Reserves, all food stores, etc., to be removed from California and repositioned at other military installations outside of California.
   3. ALL federal military personnel based in California to be redeployed to other bases outside of California.
   4. The complete destruction of all vacated military facilities, to include implosion of all standing structures, filling in of all silos, demolition of all docks, ripping up of all runways, etc.
   5. The construction of border crossing stations at all Interstate highways and rail lines which enter the US from Californiastan.
4. Trump issues these executive order 1 month before secession is official:
   
   1. All California residents, military excepted, currently engaged in business or visiting in the other 49 states must return to California by secession date, or be classified as illegal aliens and deported if caught.
   2. Californians currently serving in the US military at the time of secession to be offered US citizenship if they want it. They have 30 days to decide yes or no. If they do not want it, then they must discharged and returned to California.
   3. All federal assistance dollars being paid to the state of California or to California counties and cities will be stopped immediately.
   4. All federal welfare, food stamp, and other individual assistance dollars to be stopped immediately.
   5. No Californians receiving welfare payments at the time of secession may enter the US after secession, unless they have proof of guaranteed employment in the US, plus a US sponsor.
   6. For 6 months following secession, Californians possessing professional skills may seek political asylum in the US.
   7. Beginning 24 hours after secession, all Californians wishing to enter the US must have both a California passport and obtain a visa.
5. Trump orders the severing of all non-interstate roadways between California and the US.
6. Trump sends a supplemental to Congress for funds to begin building an extension of the border wall/fence along the eastern and norther border of California.
7. Trump orders that:
   
   1. Diplomatic recognition of gov't of California be made dependent upon payment of all unpaid federal income taxes and/or capital gains taxes which were still due 24 hours before the date of secession.
   2. If Diplomatic recognition succeeds, then California must conclude a trade deal with US.
   3. Any trade deal concluded with California MUST contain a clause specifying a import/export duty on all products going into or out of California, to remain in place until the cost of building the border wall/fence extension around California has been paid for.

I wonder how they'll defend themselves from a Mexican invasion?

Man, that felt good!

Get a little off you chest did ya?

[priusron]

They are already bankrupt. They will loose a lot of federal money. They won't be able to pay for all the illegals health care, food stamps, section 8 housing etc. Then when they have another earthquake they will want a lot of federal aid. After a few years the US will be able to buy the state a fire sale prices and piece it up.

[ELB]

Doesn't California pipe a lot of water from out of state?

I think the 15 feet of snow this winter has alleviated their water issues...for now.

They will still be hurting, plus they import a large part of their energy as well (which they manage like numbskulls). And unlike Texas, their energy grid is not set up to be physically controlled and separated at the state level-- it is part of the western grid.

[jmra]

They are already bankrupt. They will loose a lot of federal money. They won't be able to pay for all the illegals health care, food stamps, section 8 housing etc. Then when they have another earthquake they will want a lot of federal aid. After a few years the US will be able to buy the state a fire sale prices and piece it up.

If the fire sale includes the people why would you want it back?