Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby tx85 » Sun May 07, 2017 1:42 am

Article: House delays debate on knife bill days after UT stabbing
Charley Wilkison, executive director of the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas, said such a law would be frightening to regular citizens who could spot a person carrying a large knife in public.

"There's no compelling reason to change (the law)," he said. "Changing the law and adding a lengthier knife that can be carried outside is certainly not something that law enforcement needs."

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby Beiruty » Sun May 07, 2017 7:28 am

If I had one of those:
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby NotRPB » Sun May 07, 2017 8:08 am

tx85 wrote:Article: House delays debate on knife bill days after UT stabbing
Charley Wilkison, executive director of the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas, said such a law would be frightening to regular citizens who could spot a person carrying a large knife in public.

"There's no compelling reason to change (the law)," he said. "Changing the law and adding a lengthier knife that can be carried outside is certainly not something that law enforcement needs."


They were oblivious to the fact, and simple lesson taught by this incident: that "Criminals don't obey laws"
The knife used at University of Texas was too large, therefore illegal to be carried
That should have indicated that If Criminals WILL disobey laws, why not allow citizens who obey laws to have a thing called "Equal Protection" ... and that principle/ concept should be applied to all firearms
So we'll see more machete attacks & Axe attacks (those are more common in Australia/UK) even though they're illegal in "Big Knife Free Zones"

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby Jusme » Sun May 07, 2017 8:57 am

NotRPB wrote:
tx85 wrote:Article: House delays debate on knife bill days after UT stabbing
Charley Wilkison, executive director of the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas, said such a law would be frightening to regular citizens who could spot a person carrying a large knife in public.

"There's no compelling reason to change (the law)," he said. "Changing the law and adding a lengthier knife that can be carried outside is certainly not something that law enforcement needs."


They were oblivious to the fact, and simple lesson taught by this incident: that "Criminals don't obey laws"
The knife used at University of Texas was too large, therefore illegal to be carried
That should have indicated that If Criminals WILL disobey laws, why not allow citizens who obey laws to have a thing called "Equal Protection" ... and that principle/ concept should be applied to all firearms
So we'll see more machete attacks & Axe attacks (those are more common in Australia/UK) even though they're illegal in "Big Knife Free Zones"




These people must just tremble in fear if they go into a restaurant where they can see into the kitchen. with all of those terrible, dangerous big knives. The same thing at butcher shops. I guess when they see landscapers clearing brush, with a machete, they have to be institutionalized.
This is the same ridiculous argument they used regarding OC. Do they really think that people are suddenly going to walk around with 4' swords if they become legal? If the UT stabbing had been done with a 5" knife, would the victims be any less dead or injured?

Texas knife laws are archaic, at best, and have more holes in them than anything else on the books, and have done absolutely nothing to prevent the misuse of knives. Stabbing someone with any knife is still illegal, and if someone is going to disobey that law, why would they decide to obey, a law, on the length of a murder weapon?

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby NotRPB » Mon May 08, 2017 4:01 pm

HB1935 On House Floor now
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1935
Passes on voice vote. BUT AMENDED to make illegal to carry knife under age 18, or in bars, hospitals, nursing homes, Amusement Parks etc etc etc
Amendment RE: Certain Location Restrictions by Dutton (like a College Campus like University of Texas)
PDF http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/amendments/faspdf/HB01935H21.PDF

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Amendments.aspx?LegSess=85R&Bill=HB1935
H Passed to engrossment as amended 05/08/2017
H Amended 1-Dutton 05/08/2017

H Laid out as postponed business 05/08/2017
H Postponed 5/8/17 4:00 PM 05/08/2017
H Laid out as postponed business 05/08/2017
H Postponed 5/8/17 4:00 PM 05/05/2017 2722
H Read 2nd time 05/05/2017 2722

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby ELB » Mon May 08, 2017 4:31 pm

Chuck Lindel tweeted that bill passed House to remove "illegal" knives, but... amended that under knife carry illegal for under 18, and illegal for everyone in bars, hospitals, and nursing homes.

Also still 5.5" restriction.

So that state knife of Texas is still illegal to carry in Texas.
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby ELB » Mon May 08, 2017 4:33 pm

Whoops, doing this on phone while at ER, took a long time, see NotRPB scooped me.
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby MadMonkey » Tue May 09, 2017 4:48 am

ELB wrote:
Also still 5.5" restriction.

So that state knife of Texas is still illegal to carry in Texas.


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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby maverick2076 » Tue May 09, 2017 7:38 am

This needs to just die with those amendments.


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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby Elycion » Tue May 09, 2017 9:01 am

ELB wrote:Also still 5.5" restriction.

So that state knife of Texas is still illegal to carry in Texas.

As amended the 5.5" rule only applies within the designated restricted spaces. Roughly speaking the new law would limit blades to under 5.5" in the same designated victim zones that currently restrict firearm carry. Outside of those areas the bill as currently written allows carry of any length blade, including previously prohibited classes such as daggers, swords, and the Bowie knife.


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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby locke_n_load » Tue May 09, 2017 9:10 am

So what happens to the Chef in the nursing home/hospital with the butcher knife?
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby Pariah3j » Tue May 09, 2017 9:30 am

If Elycion is correct and the restrictions only apply to the noted locations and opens up edc in general public - while I would still call that flawed, its at least a step in the right direction.
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby ELB » Tue May 09, 2017 11:03 am

Pariah3j wrote:If Elycion is correct and the restrictions only apply to the noted locations and opens up edc in general public - while I would still call that flawed, its at least a step in the right direction.



+1.

When I was trying to research this on the iPhone last night, it was tough to follow the details.
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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby maverick2076 » Tue May 09, 2017 11:18 am

Pariah3j wrote:If Elycion is correct and the restrictions only apply to the noted locations and opens up edc in general public - while I would still call that flawed, its at least a step in the right direction.



I would agree with this sentiment. Is at least better than nothing...

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Re: Texas Illegal Knife Bill unanimously passes out of committee.

Postby DEB » Tue May 09, 2017 12:36 pm

NotRPB wrote:HB1935 On House Floor now
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB1935
Passes on voice vote. BUT AMENDED to make illegal to carry knife under age 18, or in bars, hospitals, nursing homes, Amusement Parks etc etc etc
Amendment RE: Certain Location Restrictions by Dutton (like a College Campus like University of Texas)
PDF http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/85R/amendments/faspdf/HB01935H21.PDF

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/Amendments.aspx?LegSess=85R&Bill=HB1935
H Passed to engrossment as amended 05/08/2017
H Amended 1-Dutton 05/08/2017

H Laid out as postponed business 05/08/2017
H Postponed 5/8/17 4:00 PM 05/08/2017
H Laid out as postponed business 05/08/2017
H Postponed 5/8/17 4:00 PM 05/05/2017 2722
H Read 2nd time 05/05/2017 2722


So, nobody under 18 can carry any knife, except under pretty much the same rules as firearms? Farm boys can't carry a pocket knife? Individuals who join the military when they are 17 can't carry a knife, (I joined 8 days after I turned 17). Or, does this only apply to those knives 5 1/2 inches or longer? I really don't understand these rules, probably just me. This appears to be another law that will do nothing except create law breakers, which also helps in creating contempt for the law. Go to rural areas, especially those in areas that are very rural and these rules are not even thought about, much less adhered to. Seems like we have problems in large urban areas and we want everyone to fall to the lowest common denominator, much like our present education system. Don't stop the criminal that is causing all of these issues, instead make more laws or make them more obtuse to the average person. Don't get me wrong, I really like it when we loosen the previous laws, especially those that were written due to previous criminal behavior, such as in the middle 1800s in Texas. When they should have just been let alone to begin with. I will get off of my high horse. God Bless Texas. :txflag:
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