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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby C-dub » Tue May 02, 2017 10:49 am

Lena wrote:why was thread locked?

Duplicate threads are typically locked and the thread started first allowed to remain open.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby MrMcCullster » Tue May 02, 2017 10:53 am

The press conference on the day it happened indicated that the dispatch call log that was sent out to officers and fire crews showed: "Gunshot victim: Self inflicted". This led the firefighter to believe that the area was secure (why wouldn't it be since the shooter killed himself?). This was with other DPD officers on the scene as well.

As I understand, police are dispatched first to secure the scene, then allow firefighters to come in first and assist and begin first treatment. Ambulance and paramedics arrive thereafter for further treatment and transport.

So it sounds like the dispatch notes did not accurately reflect the scene. Yes, there was a gunshot victim, but it did not mention that there was the possibility of the shooter still in the vicinity.

DPD Radio Audio -

From the audio, it sounds like the firefighter and police were in the road working on the gunshot victim, when the armed man with the AR15 approached them and opened fire.

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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby rtschl » Tue May 02, 2017 10:57 am

NBC5 is reporting the following:

That the shooter was the national minister of defense for the New Black Panther Party and once served as the chairman of that organization.
Derick Lamont Brown also went by the name Brotha DK – a name he used in his role as the head of paramilitary training for the New Black Panthers, a black nationalist group.


The article further states: Brown was also a member of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club – a Dallas-based black nationalist group which conducts paramilitary training and advocates the open carry of firearms. The armed group surrounded and effectively shut down a gas station in Oak Cliff after a dispute with the owners.

Federal law enforcement officials declined to comment on the Panther connection to the shooting Monday.
But it may be one reason why FBI and ATF agents were on the scene, and it could heighten their interest in this case.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby Redneck_Buddha » Tue May 02, 2017 12:36 pm

rtschl wrote:NBC5 is reporting the following:

That the shooter was the national minister of defense for the New Black Panther Party and once served as the chairman of that organization.
Derick Lamont Brown also went by the name Brotha DK – a name he used in his role as the head of paramilitary training for the New Black Panthers, a black nationalist group.


The article further states: Brown was also a member of the Huey P. Newton Gun Club – a Dallas-based black nationalist group which conducts paramilitary training and advocates the open carry of firearms. The armed group surrounded and effectively shut down a gas station in Oak Cliff after a dispute with the owners.

Federal law enforcement officials declined to comment on the Panther connection to the shooting Monday.
But it may be one reason why FBI and ATF agents were on the scene, and it could heighten their interest in this case.


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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby parabelum » Tue May 02, 2017 12:44 pm

MrMcCullster wrote:The press conference on the day it happened indicated that the dispatch call log that was sent out to officers and fire crews showed: "Gunshot victim: Self inflicted". This led the firefighter to believe that the area was secure (why wouldn't it be since the shooter killed himself?). This was with other DPD officers on the scene as well.

As I understand, police are dispatched first to secure the scene, then allow firefighters to come in first and assist and begin first treatment. Ambulance and paramedics arrive thereafter for further treatment and transport.

So it sounds like the dispatch notes did not accurately reflect the scene. Yes, there was a gunshot victim, but it did not mention that there was the possibility of the shooter still in the vicinity.

DPD Radio Audio -

From the audio, it sounds like the firefighter and police were in the road working on the gunshot victim, when the armed man with the AR15 approached them and opened fire.


That is 100% correct. When we are dispatched for gsw or even in a sketchy neighborhood with known issues, we stage for LE until scene is secure.
Lights and siren off, several blocks away.

Also, most FD's are ALS capable and all FF's are ECA level or above, most are EMT-P.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby C-dub » Wed May 03, 2017 11:48 am

Does anyone find it suspicious or at least odd that the type of weapon used has not been released yet? I've heard that it was a rifle, shotgun, a high powered rifle, AR15, and an AK47 from various reports on the radio as it was going on, but nothing in print or on a website that I've noticed.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby Jusme » Wed May 03, 2017 11:52 am

C-dub wrote:Does anyone find it suspicious or at least odd that the type of weapon used has not been released yet? I've heard that it was a rifle, shotgun, a high powered rifle, AR15, and an AK47 from various reports on the radio as it was going on, but nothing in print or on a website that I've noticed.



I'm sure that the police have not released that information, or at least, not in specifics yet. There will have to forensic tests done, as well as processing multiple crime scenes. Until the investigation, is further along, the press will just be guessing.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby MrMcCullster » Wed May 03, 2017 12:50 pm

C-dub wrote:Does anyone find it suspicious or at least odd that the type of weapon used has not been released yet? I've heard that it was a rifle, shotgun, a high powered rifle, AR15, and an AK47 from various reports on the radio as it was going on, but nothing in print or on a website that I've noticed.


Listen to the audio above and read the update from the Dallas PD. They mention it as an AR in the audio, and per DPD Beat blog it was a 7.62 caliber semi-automatic rifle and is currently being processed by our Crime Scene Response Section.

https://dpdbeat.com/2017/05/02/shooting ... nolds-ave/

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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby bblhd672 » Wed May 03, 2017 1:12 pm

C-dub wrote:Does anyone find it suspicious or at least odd that the type of weapon used has not been released yet? I've heard that it was a rifle, shotgun, a high powered rifle, AR15, and an AK47 from various reports on the radio as it was going on, but nothing in print or on a website that I've noticed.


I read somewhere (can't find it again) that he had a handgun.
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Re: Active shooter in Dallas-Firefighter shot

Postby Lambda Force » Thu May 04, 2017 8:41 pm

bblhd672 wrote:How does a felon with multiple convictions obtain a Florida (or any other state) CCL?

Was he convicted of felonies or did the revolving door let him plead down to misdemeanors? Did he get deferred adjudication instead of convicted because he's a family man? Etc.
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