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Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby philip964 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:16 am

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"fas·cist
ˈfaSHəst/
noun
noun: fascist; plural noun: fascists

1.
an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
"he went to Spain to fight against the fascists"
synonyms: authoritarian, totalitarian, autocrat, extreme right-winger, rightist; Nazi, blackshirt;
nationalist, xenophobe, racist, anti-Semite, jingoist;
neofascist, neo-Nazi
"he was branded a fascist""

Merriam Webster

"Definition of fascism

1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge"

So now there are fake definitions? Or definitions that are rewriting history?

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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby allisji » Tue May 16, 2017 9:43 am

It's even worse than that. If you expand the google definition they list the antonyms as "liberal" and "democratic" Meaning that being "right-wing" is undemocratic.

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Who gets to make this stuff up? Some professor at Cal Berkeley I assume..
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby bblhd672 » Tue May 16, 2017 10:21 am

Google is firmly planted in the left wing so no surprise there.
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby Middle Age Russ » Tue May 16, 2017 10:42 am

A college English professor of mine walked into the room the first day of class and said, "A new Oxford English dictionary was just published, and I am troubled... This new dictionary has many new words in it, but a number of words that were in the old edition are no longer there. We are losing this language, and when it is gone it's back to the trees, folks!" With the way the Statists have co-opted education and the media, it is no surprise that they are re-imagining our language just as they do our history to fit their talking points and further their agenda. Too few call them on the distortions they use to make their points, and I think that truthfully too few really care that much about the society they live in as long as they have easy to obtain food, shelter, transportation and the all-important connection to the on-line world. Mankind is a lesser creature than he was when he had to work to build a life of relative comfort.
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue May 16, 2017 11:30 am

allisji wrote:It's even worse than that. If you expand the google definition they list the antonyms as "liberal" and "democratic" Meaning that being "right-wing" is undemocratic.

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Who gets to make this stuff up? Some professor at Cal Berkeley I assume..

bblhd672 wrote:Google is firmly planted in the left wing so no surprise there.

This stuff WAY predates Google. Back when I first registered as a democrat (1970), the Republican Party was cast by both democrats AND the MSM (AKA the DNC Media Dept) as "right wing" and "anti-democratic". I'm not trying to exonerate Google, but pointing out that the democrat party controlled the media much like the fascists did in Germany, Italy, and Japan, even back in 1970. I was just too brainwashed at the time to recognize it - having grown up in a solidly democrat family firmly ensconced in academia.

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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby apvonkanel » Tue May 16, 2017 12:33 pm

While I'm not trying to stir the pot or defend the deterioration of American English, the definition has merit when you look at the roots of "right wing" and "left wing". During the French revolution, parliament members would group together according to political perspective. Those on the left were populists, leaning towards a "anyone can be anything they want" view. Those on the right were monarchists, leaning towards a "You are born into a certain position and class" view. The extreme version of left-wing politics inherently goes towards state-communism, and the extreme version of right-wing politics inherently goes towards autocratic fascism. While I hold no grudge against either tendency, if taken to the extreme they both become despicable.

If you look up communist you'll see Google gives left-wingers an even harsher treatment, not adding the adjective "extreme".

com·mu·nist
ˈkämyənəst/Submit
noun
noun: communist; plural noun: communists
1.
a person who supports or believes in the principles of communism.
"I was very left-wing, but I was never a communist"
synonyms: collectivist, leftist, (radical) socialist; Soviet, Bolshevik, Bolshevist, Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, Trotskyite, Maoist; informal,commie, red, lefty, Bolshie
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue May 16, 2017 2:34 pm

apvonkanel wrote:While I'm not trying to stir the pot or defend the deterioration of American English, the definition has merit when you look at the roots of "right wing" and "left wing". During the French revolution, parliament members would group together according to political perspective. Those on the left were populists, leaning towards a "anyone can be anything they want" view. Those on the right were monarchists, leaning towards a "You are born into a certain position and class" view. The extreme version of left-wing politics inherently goes towards state-communism, and the extreme version of right-wing politics inherently goes towards autocratic fascism. While I hold no grudge against either tendency, if taken to the extreme they both become despicable.

If you look up communist you'll see Google gives left-wingers an even harsher treatment, not adding the adjective "extreme".

com·mu·nist
ˈkämyənəst/Submit
noun
noun: communist; plural noun: communists
1.
a person who supports or believes in the principles of communism.
"I was very left-wing, but I was never a communist"
synonyms: collectivist, leftist, (radical) socialist; Soviet, Bolshevik, Bolshevist, Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, Trotskyite, Maoist; informal,commie, red, lefty, Bolshie
"he describes himself as a communist"

The real error is that of consistently identifying the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) as "right wing". The Nazis were a socialist (meaning "left-wing") movement. That's a fact, and it is fully demonstrated in how their economy ran - which was that private industry owned the means of production, but gov't controlled the production. They were left-wing. Calling them anything else is pure historical revisionism, intended to brand the right with the sins of the left.
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby bblhd672 » Tue May 16, 2017 3:43 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:The real error is that of consistently identifying the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) as "right wing". The Nazis were a socialist (meaning "left-wing") movement. That's a fact, and it is fully demonstrated in how their economy ran - which was that private industry owned the means of production, but gov't controlled the production. They were left-wing. Calling them anything else is pure historical revisionism, intended to brand the right with the sins of the left.


But..but..Anti-Fa says the fascists are on the right and need to be beaten/silenced/driven from the country. These boys and girls wouldn't last a week in a real fascist country.
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby dlh » Tue May 16, 2017 5:13 pm

I have always thought of it this way---Communism is a dictatorship where the government owns all the real property and the means of production. Fascism is a different kind of dictatorship---it allows private ownership of land and private assets in corporations though often it will interfere and tell corporations what to do.


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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby Ed4032 » Tue May 16, 2017 5:47 pm

We've always been at war with Eastasia...
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby AJSully421 » Tue May 16, 2017 5:51 pm

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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby The Annoyed Man » Tue May 16, 2017 6:23 pm

dlh wrote:I have always thought of it this way---Communism is a dictatorship where the government owns all the real property and the means of production. Fascism is a different kind of dictatorship---it allows private ownership of land and private assets in corporations though often it will interfere and tell corporations what to do.

....Exactly like most european countries......which are socialist in many ways.
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Re: Definition of fascist by Google vs Merriam Webster

Postby apvonkanel » Wed May 17, 2017 8:45 am

The best simple definition I've used (teaching 5th grade students) is "Communism forces all to be equal, Fascism forces out all who aren't." That being said, every communist and fascist regime has shared elements of the other. In philosophy they are polar opposites, but in practice they begin to mimic each other. The reality is that, regardless of the packaging, dictatorship is dictatorship.
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