UK: High rise apartment fire in London, 79 presumed dead

[philip964]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... timer-road

The shooting today has overshadowed the tragic high rise apartment fire in London that started at 1 am in the morning on the second floor in an unsprinklered tall building.

Six are confirmed dead. I suspect there will be many more as the 24 story building was fully involved from top to bottom.

No information on how it started. The building was from 1974.

I did note this one odd point:

"Outside Latymer community church, a clash between a group of young men and a photographer broke out.

The men appeared to be concerned that the photographer had them on video on his phone and were demanding that he delete the footage.

The men pursued the photographer up Bramley Road where he requested police assistance; he deleted the images and footage in their presence.

The men eventually turned around and left shouting expletives at the photographer and the police. "

Police assist a photographer in the deletion of photos from his camera of a group of men watching the fire, who objected to having their photographs taken and then after getting what they want, they shout expletives at the police who just helped them. Hmmm. Arsonists usually hang around and watch their work.

[philip964]

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.c ... fire-risk/

Its worse only one exit from the building.

[philip964]

Hundreds are now feared dead.

The building had only one stairwell. Sounds like it did not have any sort of stairwell pressurization. The building was not sprinklered and there was no fire alarm or fire detection system.

The building had just finished a $10 million pound renovation.

In Houston, and in most US cities, this building would have been required to retrofit a second stairwell, install a fire alarm system and be fully sprinkled. Otherwise it would have shut down as a fire hazard.

However, none of this was done. Instead the building was reskinned on the outside with new energy saving wall panels and insulated glass. The fire spread rapidly up and around the outside of the building because the new insulated wall panels were combustible.

Energy costs have risen dramatically in the UK since their coal fired power plants are being shut down to comply with new EU rules on global warming. In addition residential rental units are required to up grade their energy usage as part of the UK's commitment to reduce its Carbon footprint.

So in other words, fire safety took a back seat to global warming during the renovation of this dangerous building.

The question is did these hundred or so people die because of Al Gore's Global Warming hoax? Are these the first victims from the Global Warming Hoax?

[Abraham]

Go ahead, live in high rise buildings, but you better be able to get out of the building, know how base jump and have all the gear immediately at hand...or better yet, don't live or work in high rise buildings...

[GeekwithaGun]

As a contractor at a US gov facility, I had to take an anti-terrorism class that is for military and civilian employees. One of the sections was about staying in hotels and having a room no more than 10 floors up because the ladder on fire trucks can only reach up to 10 floors.

[philip964]

As a contractor at a US gov facility, I had to take an anti-terrorism class that is for military and civilian employees. One of the sections was about staying in hotels and having a room no more than 10 floors up because the ladder on fire trucks can only reach up to 10 floors.

Definition of high rise is above the ability of the fire department to save you with a ladder. That is 75 feet above the street level. 6 floors in an office building 9 floors in an apartment or hotel. Ten floors would be a little of a stretch, but potentially possible.

[philip964]

They have updated the number of dead to include the people who are missing and presumed dead. The number could go higher.

Considering how many people were in the building, the fire trap the building was and the time of the night it occurred this number is still very low.

Most of the blame is now clearly on the people who remodeled the building and added a combustible "green" exterior to the building, while neglecting basic fire safety for a high rise (above the height of exterior fire department rescue) building.

England is a far different country than the US. No guns, much less freedom of speech and a far greater reliance on the government in daily life.

Apparently many of the residents realized the fire safety in the building was not up to standards and complained in blogs. They received a notice from an attorney representing the Council government telling them to take down their blog or else.

[philip964]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... olice-say/

Death toll raised from 58 to 79.

Spread of fire clearly points to exterior panel system added to building to meet strict new EU energy codes to fight global warming.

Fight a new, vague and far away danger, rather than fighting a known and constant threat, fire.

Note the sequence of numbers given out by the government 6,7,8,9. I've suspected all along that the British government has been under reporting the number of deaths, till its off the news.

[Jusme]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... olice-say/

Death toll raised from 58 to 79.

Spread of fire clearly points to exterior panel system added to building to meet strict new EU energy codes to fight global warming.

Fight a new, vague and far away danger, rather than fighting a known and constant threat, fire.

Note the sequence of numbers given out by the government 6,7,8,9. I've suspected all along that the British government has been under reporting the number of deaths, till its off the news.

Doesn't a high rise building on fire contribute to global warming?

[philip964]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... olice-say/

Death toll raised from 58 to 79.

Spread of fire clearly points to exterior panel system added to building to meet strict new EU energy codes to fight global warming.

Fight a new, vague and far away danger, rather than fighting a known and constant threat, fire.

Note the sequence of numbers given out by the government 6,7,8,9. I've suspected all along that the British government has been under reporting the number of deaths, till its off the news.

Doesn't a high rise building on fire contribute to global warming?

According to Al Gore- Yes!

[philip964]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews. ... s.amp.html

Unconfirmed report 42 bodies found huddled together in one room.

If true, the number of dead is being under reported to allow the disaster to fall off the news.