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Not again!!!

Postby bmwrdr » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:37 pm

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Postby crazy2medic » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:54 pm

Navy ships still have radar don't they?
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Re: Not again!!!

Postby bmwrdr » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:00 pm

crazy2medic wrote:Navy ships still have radar don't they?


Radar, satellite, night vision systems and a manned bridge! A 600 foot tanker can be seen in a fair distance too. Lets see how this will be explained sometimes soon.
It just made me think, there were serious airplane incidents in the past years, some went completely missing, one flew straight into a mountain in the Swiss alps and now we see two "accidents" with some huge ships involved! There were no details reported about the vessel in the incident on the Japanese coast either!
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Re: Not again!!!

Postby 1911 10MM » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:02 pm

crazy2medic wrote:Navy ships still have radar don't they?
They also have lookouts FWD and AFT on both port and Starboard sides. That is a busy area of the world in those shipping lanes. You best be on your game.

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Postby OldCurlyWolf » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:37 am

There is the possibility that we are seeing the results of a near total reliance on technology and a SERIOUS maintenance problem. Along with not enough properly trained and motivated lookouts.
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Re: Not again!!!

Postby bmwrdr » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:49 am

OldCurlyWolf wrote:There is the possibility that we are seeing the results of a near total reliance on technology and a SERIOUS maintenance problem. Along with not enough properly trained and motivated lookouts.


:iagree: Maintenace flaws are an issue across all military installations.

This was the fourth incident on a NAVY ship this year so far!

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Postby bblhd672 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:52 am

Then Navy needs to shelve the "sensitivity training" manuals and dust off the "seamanship" manuals. Perhaps fire a few SJW-friendly admirals.
All branches of the military need to focus on their mission - break things and kill the enemy, not on social/political experiments. :mad5
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Postby bblhd672 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:05 am

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/347347-navy-chief-halts-pacific-fleet-operations-orders-review-after-collisions

Adm. John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, will call for a temporary halt in operations for the Pacific-based 7th Fleet, the forces that operate around Japan.

“He has put together a broader inquiry to look into these incidents and to determine any of the causal factors to determine what’s going on,” Defense Secretary James Mattis told reporters while traveling in Amman, Jordan.
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Postby LDB415 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:43 pm

It's the USS McCain. Rudderless and constantly moving in the wrong direction, often on purpose, with no clue of true north and the proper course to follow.
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Postby 1911 10MM » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:46 pm

LDB415 wrote:It's the USS McCain. Rudderless and constantly moving in the wrong direction, often on purpose, with no clue of true north and the proper course to follow.



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Postby bblhd672 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:06 pm

LDB415 wrote:It's the USS McCain. Rudderless and constantly moving in the wrong direction, often on purpose, with no clue of true north and the proper course to follow.


The USS John McCain was not named after Senator John McCain (D/R-Arizona). It was named after his grandfather and father. That doesn't necessarily change the truth of your statement. :mrgreen:
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Postby Scott B. » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:22 pm

There have been collisions at sea since the first two rafts went into the water.

My heart goes out to the families of the lost and their shipmates.
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Postby oljames3 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 1:56 pm

The profession of arms is a dangerous business. Peacetime losses have always seemed the hardest for me. As military leaders, we do the best we can to keep our troops safe, knowing all the while that, despite our best efforts, the odds are against us. Indeed, prayers for the families and shipmates of those lost.
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Re: Not again!!!

Postby Excaliber » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:08 pm

Inquiring minds might want to know why modern Navy destroyers that are fast, agile, crewed by highly trained professionals, and have the best high tech situational awareness electronics money can buy can get rammed by huge merchant vessels with lots fewer gadgets and second and third rate crews.

They also might want to know why the huge merchant vessels don't seem to run into each other - just into Navy ships. And not just any Navy ships - but the latest Areleigh Burke class destroyers that would be sorely needed in any conflict with North Korea.
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Re: Not again!!!

Postby bmwrdr » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:41 pm

Excaliber wrote:Inquiring minds might want to know why modern Navy destroyers that are fast, agile, crewed by highly trained professionals, and have the best high tech situational awareness electronics money can buy can get rammed by huge merchant vessels with lots fewer gadgets and second and third rate crews.

They also might want to know why the huge merchant vessels don't seem to run into each other - just into Navy ships. And not just any Navy ships - but the latest Areleigh Burke class destroyers that would be sorely needed in any conflict with North Korea.


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And why are there high ranking officers talking about busy lanes in certain areas?Should those ships be sent into a war zone?
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