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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby 1911 10MM » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:47 am

dale blanker wrote:
oohrah wrote:I am a Viet Nam combat vet, and when the hippies were burning the flag, I supported that 1A right, and I continue to support those same 1A rights today. Vote, vote with your wallet, vote with your participation. But you can't restrict others 1A rights without endangering your own.

Yeah, those hippies were denouncing an administration that got us into and kept us in a war that didn't make sense. I think John Kerry, obviously a patriot, was among those protesters. What a great system we have!

But frankly, I don't see the NFL players kneeling as any big deal. A sitting or turned-back or fist up would be something else, but kneeling - showing the highest form of respect - really?


If you think it is a form of respect I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you, as others have said 1st A rights do not extend to employees. NFL players are employees of the teams they play for and as such should follow the rules their employer sets. Is it the fault of the player their employees refuse to punish those who break the rules, no. If the teams and NFL continue to allow this to happen then I for one will not watch. This Veteran is boycotting the NFL.


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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby gljjt » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:34 am

Protest = lower ratings = lower ticket/merchadise sales/viewers = lower revenue (sales / advertising / sponsers / network) = lower profits = lower player salaries for years to come.

Talk about pooping where you eat...


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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby 1911 10MM » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:14 am

gljjt wrote:Protest = lower ratings = lower ticket/merchadise sales/viewers = lower revenue (sales / advertising / sponsers / network) = lower profits = lower player salaries for years to come.

Talk about pooping where you eat...


I have seen at least one protesting player has had endorsement deals cancelled.


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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Abraham » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:31 am

Stop buying anything to do with the NFL.

Season tickets.

T.V. subscriptions.

Merchandise.

Everything and anything to do with the NFL.

In short order, the arrogance displayed from owner to player will vastly improve.

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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Pawpaw » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:09 am

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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby dale blanker » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:16 am

1911 10MM wrote:
dale blanker wrote:
oohrah wrote:I am a Viet Nam combat vet, and when the hippies were burning the flag, I supported that 1A right, and I continue to support those same 1A rights today. Vote, vote with your wallet, vote with your participation. But you can't restrict others 1A rights without endangering your own.

Yeah, those hippies were denouncing an administration that got us into and kept us in a war that didn't make sense. I think John Kerry, obviously a patriot, was among those protesters. What a great system we have!

But frankly, I don't see the NFL players kneeling as any big deal. A sitting or turned-back or fist up would be something else, but kneeling - showing the highest form of respect - really?


If you think it is a form of respect I have some ocean front property in Arizona I would like to sell you, as others have said 1st A rights do not extend to employees. NFL players are employees of the teams they play for and as such should follow the rules their employer sets. Is it the fault of the player their employees refuse to punish those who break the rules, no. If the teams and NFL continue to allow this to happen then I for one will not watch. This Veteran is boycotting the NFL.

Keep your Arizone property and your twisted ideas about respect. Individualism is what makes this country great. Ever notice how precisely respectful people are where oppression is the norm? Try this:
http://www.startribune.com/what-do-the-nfl-rules-say-about-national-anthem-conduct-and-do-they-really-matter/448509043/

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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby anygunanywhere » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:24 am

If your idea of patriot is John Kerry you belong with the likes of Benedict Arnold.

Those same hippies that protested the war and burned the flag also spat on returning soldiers.
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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby bblhd672 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:36 am

anygunanywhere wrote:If your idea of patriot is John Kerry you belong with the likes of Benedict Arnold.

Those same hippies that protested the war and burned the flag also spat on returning soldiers.


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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Aunt Eva » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:45 pm

philip964 wrote:Colin Kaepernick pledges 1 million dollars to a foundation that supports and honors aconvicted cop killer who was busted out of prison by the Black Liberation Army and escaped to Cuba where she lives today.

This. It's not about the flag. It's about the cops.

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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Flightmare » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:14 pm

dale blanker wrote:
oohrah wrote:I am a Viet Nam combat vet, and when the hippies were burning the flag, I supported that 1A right, and I continue to support those same 1A rights today. Vote, vote with your wallet, vote with your participation. But you can't restrict others 1A rights without endangering your own.

Yeah, those hippies were denouncing an administration that got us into and kept us in a war that didn't make sense. I think John Kerry, obviously a patriot, was among those protesters. What a great system we have!

But frankly, I don't see the NFL players kneeling as any big deal. A sitting or turned-back or fist up would be something else, but kneeling - showing the highest form of respect - really?


In Kaepernick's own words, his protest was not a form of respect;

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

If you genuinely believe that he is doing it out of respect, you are fooling yourself.
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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby parabelum » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:28 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:If your idea of patriot is John Kerry you belong with the likes of Benedict Arnold.

Those same hippies that protested the war and burned the flag also spat on returning soldiers.


DB likely didn't get his meds filled yet, it is beginning of the month. He pops up every now and then just to stir the pot usually. It's usually best just to ignore him.

As far as Pimpelnick, why doesn't he just leave this racist country and go to Zimbabwe where black people rule and no black persons are mistreated (sarcasm).
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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby dale blanker » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:32 pm

Flightmare wrote:
dale blanker wrote:
oohrah wrote:I am a Viet Nam combat vet, and when the hippies were burning the flag, I supported that 1A right, and I continue to support those same 1A rights today. Vote, vote with your wallet, vote with your participation. But you can't restrict others 1A rights without endangering your own.

Yeah, those hippies were denouncing an administration that got us into and kept us in a war that didn't make sense. I think John Kerry, obviously a patriot, was among those protesters. What a great system we have!

But frankly, I don't see the NFL players kneeling as any big deal. A sitting or turned-back or fist up would be something else, but kneeling - showing the highest form of respect - really?


In Kaepernick's own words, his protest was not a form of respect;

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

If you genuinely believe that he is doing it out of respect, you are fooling yourself.

Flightmare, you and I are not quite in sync about positions of respect. I was referring to the current issue with some NFL players and others about kneeling but your article was about sitting. Itn't it funny how "little things mean alot"?

In the 49ers' final 2016 preseason game on September 1, 2016, Kaepernick opted to kneel during the U.S. national anthem rather than sit as he did in their previous games. He explained his decision to switch was an attempt to show more respect to former and current U.S. military members while still protesting during the anthem after having a conversation with former NFL player and U.S. military veteran Nate Boyer. After the September 2016 police shootings of Terence Crutcher and Keith Lamont Scott, Kaepernick commented publicly on the shootings saying, "this is a perfect example of what this is about."
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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby 1911 10MM » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:42 pm

dale blanker wrote:
Flightmare wrote:
dale blanker wrote:
oohrah wrote:I am a Viet Nam combat vet, and when the hippies were burning the flag, I supported that 1A right, and I continue to support those same 1A rights today. Vote, vote with your wallet, vote with your participation. But you can't restrict others 1A rights without endangering your own.

Yeah, those hippies were denouncing an administration that got us into and kept us in a war that didn't make sense. I think John Kerry, obviously a patriot, was among those protesters. What a great system we have!

But frankly, I don't see the NFL players kneeling as any big deal. A sitting or turned-back or fist up would be something else, but kneeling - showing the highest form of respect - really?


In Kaepernick's own words, his protest was not a form of respect;

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

If you genuinely believe that he is doing it out of respect, you are fooling yourself.

Flightmare, you and I are not quite in sync about positions of respect. I was referring to the current issue with some NFL players and others about kneeling but your article was about sitting. Itn't it funny how "little things mean alot"?

In the 49ers' final 2016 preseason game on September 1, 2016, Kaepernick opted to kneel during the U.S. national anthem rather than sit as he did in their previous games. He explained his decision to switch was an attempt to show more respect to former and current U.S. military members while still protesting during the anthem after having a conversation with former NFL player and U.S. military veteran Nate Boyer. After the September 2016 police shootings of Terence Crutcher and Keith Lamont Scott, Kaepernick commented publicly on the shootings saying, "this is a perfect example of what this is about."


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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Pawpaw » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:24 pm

When the Method Overwhelms the Message

Protesting NFL players and progressive activist journalists have not been having a good week. In an attempt to “raise awareness” of their cause they’ve become the Westboro Baptist Church of the national anthem. Although that makes me happy because I’m not a fan of frauds, I want to take a moment to let them and their fellow traveler progressives know what should be self-evident to anyone who thinks beyond the level of a 5-year-old: If you choose a bad method, your message does not matter.
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Re: Take a Knee Updated

Postby Bent_Remy » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:59 am

God bless America. With freedom and justice for some.


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