carlson1 wrote:I don’t have one that has left the 2A, but they have left church and the fundamentals they were taught. My youngest seldom even takes his family and attends church. I have learned to live with a broken heart so far. Praying you find middle ground.
Your story is an exact copy of mine. We raised two girls in the Baptist Church. One has turned out wonderful, goes to church regularly and raises her two young girls in the church. She communicates with us regularly and invites us over whenever we are in town.
The other daughter rarely communicates with us and has not attended church in years. She is raising her two kids the same way. They have no moral compass. She rarely allows us to visit for fear we will contaminate them. She is fiercely anti gun too. I, too, have learned to live with a broken heart. I continue to pray nightly for their salvation and protection.
Man, my heart breaks for you guys. I was not raised in the church and did not come to faith until my early 40s. In fact, I was for most of that time, prior to coming to faith, a life-long liberal - having been raised by hardcore liberal parents. My son’s faith followed my own by about 2 years, when he was 6 years old. There have been times when he was less inclined to want to go to church than others - for many of the same reasons that it became undesirable to hug his dad at a certain age - but he has never strayed away from his actual faith. Today, he and his wife and kids all live under the same roof with my wife and me ..... the four of us deliberately bought a big house together for that reason last fall ..... and his wife is a solid believer too, and that is how their kids are being raised. Only time will tell if my grandkids will remain faithful, and it would break my heart if they do not. But we’ve given them every opportunity, and they are still at an age where their primary socialization outside of family is at church, so time will tell.
But, you should know (and probably do) that being a Christian is not any kind of a guarantee of also being conservative. There are several active members of my church who are pretty liberal politically - including
being heavily in favor of gun control and anti-NRA. Their views are out of step with the majority of the members. And I am not even close to being the only libertarian-leaning member. I’ve often described myself (tongue firmly planted in cheek) as a “Liberative Conservatarian” - meaning that while I am personally conservative in the way I live my private life and in my personal morality, my highest political value is the liberty of the individual. It is that last part that I find clashes with a blind allegiance to the GOP, and it is why I stopped identifying as a republican in 2012. I do no think that the GOP is either conservative, or libertarian-leaning. They pay nothing more than lip service to individual liberty, but in practice, they are almost uniformly big-government types. What being a “Liberative Conservatarian” looks like is this - taking gay marriage for instance as an example..... Personally, I think it is (A) icky, and (B) unbiblical and spiritually unhealthy. That is my personal
outlook and morality talking. BUT
..... we have a Declaration of Independence which proclaims, among other things, “the pursuit of happiness” as one leg of its three-legged stool of liberty; and
we have a Constitution which is supposed to protect - equally - the rights of the individual. As distasteful as gay marriage is to me, I can’t find a constitutional reason for banning it. So, the way I
blend that with my faith is this: we live in a fallen world, full of fallen people, all born sinners and in need of God’s grace, and all in need of Jesus.....myself included. My sins are between me and God. The sins of others are between them and God. No amount of laws are going to stop people from sinning, and the Constitution guarantees that someone else does not have to live by my
religious code .....unless they WANT to.
Believe me..... getting to that point was an evolution, some
of which has taken place since
I first became a member of this forum. I was a MUCH more conservative and much less libertarian person back then than I am now. I think I have found my stasis. My son, on the other hand, came to Texas at age 16; so his personal political journey was more or less just beginning when he got here. He was personally conservative, but not yet politically formed, and much of what he would have said back then was simply parroting what his father would have said. The libertarian-leaning brand of conservatism in Texas is a much bigger presence here than back in California, and so he has begun
his political journey from that viewpoint, rather than evolving into it the way I did. But the important thing is that we both got to the same outlook at about the same time, so there isn’t that much that we disagree about. I like it that he’s man enough to stand up for his differences of opinion without escalating it into a fight, so sometimes we just agree to disagree. But that’s actually fairly rare.
I really sincerely hope for those of you whose children are so out of step with you, that they will come around and begin thinking with their brains instead of their hearts.