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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby nitrogen » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:01 am

KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.



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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby KBCraig » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:52 am

nitrogen wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.

Amen on that.

Ditto.

My rep, Ralph Hall (R), took the principled stance and voted "no" both times.

As soon as the Senate contact form works again, I have a simple message for both Cornyn and Hutchison: "You're fired."

I am not a single-issue voter, even though I feel very strongly about several issues. But this... any representative or senator who voted for this mess, no matter how good they are on our other pet issues, must be voted out at first opportunity. Don't worry about the next one being "worse" somehow; they can't be worse than a vote for socializing our banking system.

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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:51 am

Then welcome Senator Rick "I hate guns" Noriega to Washington. I'm not a single issue voter either, but a candidate's position on guns is a litmus test. If they are wrong on that issue, then they oppose my ability to protect myself and my family and that's unacceptable, even if I agree with every other thing they support or oppose. If I have two pro-gun candidates running, then I get to look at other issues when deciding how to vote. Likewise, if I have two anti-gun candidates (never happened to me), then I make my decision on other issues. But when one candidate supports my right and ability to defend myself and my family and one does not, then the issue is settled at that point.

I too hate the bailout, but my safety comes first, then my money.

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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Liberty » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:47 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Then welcome Senator Rick "I hate guns" Noriega to Washington. I'm not a single issue voter either, but a candidate's position on guns is a litmus test. If they are wrong on that issue, then they oppose my ability to protect myself and my family and that's unacceptable, even if I agree with every other thing they support or oppose. If I have two pro-gun candidates running, then I get to look at other issues when deciding how to vote. Likewise, if I have two anti-gun candidates (never happened to me), then I make my decision on other issues. But when one candidate supports my right and ability to defend myself and my family and one does not, then the issue is settled at that point.

I too hate the bailout, but my safety comes first, then my money.

Chas.

While I agree with you, I value the 1st ammendment just as much as the 2nd. Both are absolutely essential for our Safety and freedom. If we have one candidate that has disrespected and worked against the freedoms of speech and of the press, and another that the second ammendment, then I suppose the only other option would to vote for neither.


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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Right2Carry » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:30 pm

KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.


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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby KBCraig » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:10 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Then welcome Senator Rick "I hate guns" Noriega to Washington.

And you can thank John Cornyn for that.

A lot of people are really worked up over this bailout, and the vast majority of them aren't going to compare RKBA records before voting.

I sent personalized versions of this to both Cornyn and Hutchison:

I watched with pride as my Representative, Ralph Hall, voted twice in favor of his constituency and against the party leadership. By voting against the banking bailout bill, Rep. Hall stood with the citizens of Texas.

It was with total disgust that I saw my two Senators vote in favor of a bank bailout bill that was laden with unrelated pork projects.

I have never in my life vote for a Democrat, but I will never again vote for John Cornyn. This breach of trust, breach of duty, and betrayal of the Constitution is unforgivable.

You, Sir, are fired.


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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby 30Carb » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:26 pm

On Friday night, I received a phone call from the Cornyn campaign soliciting contributions. I had been a contributor to his campaign and has his bumper sticker on my car, both as a result of seeing him in action against the immigration bill. He was my man in Washington (after Ron Paul, of course!).

The solicitor started out talking about Cornyn's "conservative values", I started laughing, and then unloaded on him. I included Ms. Hutchison as I went along, talking about how they both voted for an unconstitutional appropriations bill (all appropriations bills originate in the House of Representatives), how Reid gutted, spliced, sliced, and amended the spending bill to violate the spirit of the Law, but not its letter, to propose and pass a spending bill and send it to the House.

Cornyn doesn't get my money, doesn't get my vote. Its because he votes more like a fascist than an American, siding up with Big Government while throwing bones to Second Amendment types to keep us hanging on. For crumbs.

Guess I'm a little tee'd off, especially after we find out that the Treasury Dept. is not going to start buying that distressed paper, that caused the financial system to come "within hours" of melting down, not going to buy anything until AFTER the election. We have been had.

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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby nitrogen » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:46 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Then welcome Senator Rick "I hate guns" Noriega to Washington.


I'd be interested to see documentation on this, as I have not been able to find ANY information on his gun control stance.
Also, I don't see the Brady Campaign or their ilk supporting him.

He also voted in favor of castle doctrine in 2007.

According to NRA-PVF and project vote smart:
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_c ... n_id=25374
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2006 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2006, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Representative Noriega a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2004 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2004, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Representative Noriega a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Representative Noriega a grade of A (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2000 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all state legislative candidates in 2000, the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Representative Noriega a grade of B (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

1998 Based on a questionnaire and the votes that National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund considered to be the most important in 1998, they have assigned Representative Noriega a grade of B (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).


I also know that the NRA endorsed him for his last race in 2006, but I'm not sure about the previous races.
So please explain to me why you say he hates guns, I need to understand.
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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:19 pm

nitrogen wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Then welcome Senator Rick "I hate guns" Noriega to Washington.


I'd be interested to see documentation on this, as I have not been able to find ANY information on his gun control stance.
Also, I don't see the Brady Campaign or their ilk supporting him.


I owe Rep. Noriega and everyone an apology; I had my people confused. Noriega is running for the U.S. Senate and I guess I had "senate" on my mind, forgetting the Rick Noriega was a Representative not a Texas Senator. I was thinking of Texas Senator Mario Gallegos, not Texas Representative Rick Noriega. This coupled with Noriega's refusal to answer the NRA Questionnaire, thus earning a "?" rating, and I popped off with the "I hate guns" comment. I should have checked his record better.

Even though this thread is in the "off-topic" section and deals with the bailout not guns, I'm not going to get into other non-gun issues. But if people are considering voting for Rick Noriega because of the bailout vote, look at his record on other conservative issues. Since this thread is about money, look at his record on "Budget, Spending and Taxes." Just go to the website nitrogen cited: http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_c ... n_id=25374

Go here to look at his actual voting record! http://www.votesmart.org/voting_categor ... n_id=25374

Again, I apologize for my comment that was harsher than warranted.

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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby nitrogen » Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:38 pm

Fair enough if you don't like him for his other stances. Thanks for the clarification; I was REALLY confused, and wondered if you had other information that wasn't publically known.
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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby dawgfishboy » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:24 pm

KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.
+2
(including the Mrs.)


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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby KBCraig » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:26 pm

dawgfishboy wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.
+2
(including the Mrs.)

Especially since the challenger has an NRA "A" rating.

Hmmm, I thought I posted this earlier, but now I don't see it. Maybe I was mistaken about posting it. It takes this thread further off topic, but we've already gone from Hutchison to Cornyn.

Anyhoo, from another forum, another writer had this to say (my emphasis added):

I'm done walking on eggshells - a little freaked out.

This is my latest blog. I'll be honest, i hope my neo-con family still speaks to me after reading it -

"A letter to everyone voting for John McCain"

The idea that thousands of conservatives will flush their principles down the toilet for such an advocate of huge government this November is sickening. And why are you doing this? The most common answer I hear goes something like "Well, he's better then Obama!"

People, I am telling you right now that he is NOT better then Obama - he is worse. He is worse, because he has that magic "R" next to his name that makes conservatives (especially Christian conservatives, for some reason) put down their guard and blindly follow their leader. At least if Obama were elected, you would be on your guard against his harmful policies.

Let's face it - if Al Gore had been the one to make the imperialistic decision to invade Iraq, resulting in the deaths of countless civilians and expanding the government at a rate never before seen in this country, you would have realized then that it was a horrible idea. Yet somehow, since President Bush had that magic "R" next to his name, you all looked the other way. Many of you, right now, still feel that the disgusting acts of his regime are justified. When will you all wake up?

There are no more conservatives in Washington, with the exception of one - and you all laughed him off the stage. You have been duped! All of these so-called republicans are spineless, big government cowards. They had total control if the 90's, and did NOTHING. Actually, that is not true. They did one thing - they made the government bigger!

This year, you all had the chance to elect the most pro-life, small government, pro-gun, anti-tax presidential candidate of the last 100 years - and you booed him off the stage, because big government jerks like Sean Hannity told you to. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for calling yourselves conservatives.


I just want to end this with an even more personal note. Lately, I have been afraid. I have been afraid that when the government that you are voting into office shows up at my door to take my guns or silence my peaceful protest, and I refuse, and they either shoot me or lock me up, you will all be watching it on the evening news and thinking to yourselves, "Thank God we are being protected from these dangerous terrorists."


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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby John » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:42 pm

Kbcraig… I couldn’t disagree more with your post. We have a primary system in our election process and McCain got the nod in one of the two major parties. Our country has been polarized to the point that our current choice is bigger government or total socialism. We’ve let the media dictate and mold our views to the point that 50% of the country wants a socialist that hangs out with a communist as the leader of the free world. Over half wanted Al Gore. Nearly half wanted John Kerry. We’re at the point where we’ve got to fight keep some/any bastion of conservatism. I wanted Huckabee in the primaries, but that wasn’t to be so my choice is now to hand the country over to Obama or vote for the person that I did not want in the primary, John McCain.

Well, I’m voting for McCain. This is where we are, can can’t change where we are, or the events that led us here. If the goal is to shift votes to a libertarian or independent, October 6 in an election year is too late. If the libertarian strategy to get votes is to cause discord in the month before an election, they’ll never get where they want to be.

We've stayed from topic of Kay Bailey Hutchion, she's going to have to work for my vote too. It's not an automatic anymore. Neither is Rick Perry's, and I suspect she knows that. (didn't this tread start about her interest in running for Gov of Texas?) :patriot:
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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Mike1951 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:17 pm

It's really a lot simpler to be a one issue voter. If I ever have the luxury of deciding between two sincere 2nd Amendment supporters, then, like Charles, I will look at other issues.

As long as there is one rabid anti-gun polictian running against one who is less likely to pursue anti-gun issues, there is no decision to make.

Facing four or eight years of Obama with a Democrat controlled House and Senate is your worst nightmare.

Anything else, we can live with.
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Re: Kay Bailey Hutchison

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:00 am

KBCraig wrote:
dawgfishboy wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:Well, I think it's safe to say that, after their bailout votes, neither Hutchison nor Cornyn is going to have an easy time getting my vote for anything.
+2
(including the Mrs.)

Especially since the challenger has an NRA "A" rating.


Kevin, are you referring to Rick Noriega? If so, he doesn't have an "A" rating, he refused to return an NRA questionnaire. This is worrisome since some of the issues on the federal level are different from what are issues in Texas. He he raised his rating from "B" to "A" in Texas and he always voted with us in recent years. But one must wonder why he refused to state his position now, especially when the Obama/Biden tickets combines two anti-gun candidates.

Remember, U.S. Representative Gene Green was an "A+" when he was in the Texas Legislature and he even carried a CHL bill in the late '80s or early '90s, if I remember correctly. But when he was elected to the U.S. Congress, he voted with his anti-gun Democrats and quickly earned a "C" rating. He has since regained his "A" rating, but that was at a time when the Republicans controlled the House, not when the gun control crowd was in power. I'm not saying Noriega will follow suit, but refusing to take a position on the issues important to gun owners, by not answering the NRA Questionnaire, is not a good sign. To many, including me, a rating of "?" is an "F" in the making. That doesn't always prove to be the case, but it's relatively rare for a "?" to turn out to be good for gun owners.

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