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Encouraging signs.

Postby bdickens » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:51 pm

Maybe not all is lost. I've seen a "Hillary backers for McCain" bumper sticker and a couple of "Democrat for McCain" yard signs.
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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby longtooth » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:11 am

I hope you are right.
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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby anygunanywhere » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:18 am

The media is attempting to convince everyone that the messiah is going to win and convince the messiah's opponents to stay home and not vote.

Allow me to emphasize the obvious.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.

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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:24 am

anygunanywhere wrote:The media is attempting to convince everyone that the messiah is going to win and convince the messiah's opponents to stay home and not vote.

Allow me to emphasize the obvious.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION.

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That's exactly right. The media is in full disinformation mode and doing everything it can to keep Republicans/McCain supporters away from the polls.

Based upon a polling "expert" in heard yesterday on KTRH radio, there are always problems with polls, but this year they are magnified. Determining who really is a "likely voter" is hardly an exact science and this year the numbers are even more questionable because of the impact of first time voters participating in the polls. These first time voters are not only young people who responded to voter registration drives on college campuses, but they are also members of minority communities who traditionally don't vote, but claim to be "likely voters." The new young voters and the effect of a black candidate on black voter turnout this year creates greater uncertainty in polls, yet the pollsters are not factoring that into their margin of error. In fairness, they can't because this fact pattern has never existed in a Presidential election.

Obama may well win this election, but it's by no means certain and we cannot depend upon the media to report accurately on this issue. Wow, what a surprise!

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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby GrillKing » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:45 am

According to the polls, Obama has won hands down, so all Obama supporters should stay home. No need to vote. Just enjoy a good meal and celebrate (while I go vote, of course!).


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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby tbranch » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:35 pm

I have the agree with Charles--we need to get out and vote. I voted yesterday in Allen. No real issues or lines.

While we may lose the White House, we need to make sure that the liberals do not get 60 seats in the Senate. If you're not voting Straight Party, make sure you cast votes for Congress and the Senate.

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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby jimlongley » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:30 pm

GrillKing wrote:According to the polls, Obama has won hands down, so all Obama supporters should stay home. No need to vote. Just enjoy a good meal and celebrate (while I go vote, of course!).


Just got back from voting. I was interested that a bambam volunteer was electioneering right short of the 100 foot mark. When she asked me to support him, I told her I was not voting for a socialist, gun grabbing, muslim. She started to follow me to object to my characterization, and I pointed out the limit sign, so she stopped, but I could tell she was taking note of the cowboy hat and embroidered shirt to ambush me on the way out. Call me chicken, I left by a different exit.

After I got home I started to go through my email and was referred to this web site. If it's right, McCain may be lining up for a major upset, kind of like Dewey and Truman. I don't know if the site can be seen without logging in.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/e ... are/223321
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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby Russell » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:35 pm

I've already heard that Obama is getting ready for his victory party, renting out a location and gettin' the finger foods ready :roll:


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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby TexasAggie » Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:42 am

Russell wrote:I've already heard that Obama is getting ready for his victory party, renting out a location and gettin' the finger foods ready :roll:



Fried soul foods...mostly chittlins', a plate of butter beans, and such. :leaving

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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby Liberty » Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:48 am

TexasAggie wrote:
Russell wrote:I've already heard that Obama is getting ready for his victory party, renting out a location and gettin' the finger foods ready :roll:



Fried soul foods...mostly chittlins', a plate of butter beans, and such. :leaving

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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby Skiprr » Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:02 pm

Opinion polls are an art, not a science...despite what pollsters may say. In fact, all of statistics is based on drawing the most accurate assumptions without having available complete data from the entire possible universe of targets. The key word is "assumption" because polls and surveys have to work with only a sample of that total universe.

In fact, when polls report their "margin of error" (e.g., plus or minus 4%), they really take into account only sampling error, because of the four major types of survey errors that's the only one that can be sufficiently quantified. The other biggie sources of errors are coverage error, measurement error, and non-response error. I don't pretend to know much about this stuff, but I know I've fallen into the non-response error category this Presidential election...probably several times: I look at the caller ID before I answer the phone, and if I don't know the caller I'll let voicemail get it 98% of the time (give or take a margin of error of 1.5% :mrgreen: ).

I know pre-election polls serve valuable purposes, but I wish they weren't as prevalent. Not everyone takes an analytical view of what they see or hear in the media, and I think all the campaign polls--this year more than any other I remember, even more than 2004 (remember when, in 2004, in early October, Newsweek polls had 47% of the vote for Kerry, 45% for Bush, and 2% for Nader?)--have a very real potential to mislead and affect behavior.

Best case, the polls will lead all the newly-registered Democrats to stay home because they believe Obamanos has already won. Worst case, something similar could happen with Republicans and Libertarians.
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Re: Encouraging signs.

Postby bryang » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:20 pm

Never, ever, ever give up!...let's get out there and drag everyone we can down to vote. I just pray that no one stays home and not vote because of this media garbage. It is not over, until it's over! GO VOTE!

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