Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

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Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby surprise_i'm_armed » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:40 pm

Believe it or not, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts has made some strides in
issuing LTC's (License to Carry) to average citizens.

That doesn't mean the process is anything like a "shall issue" state such as much of the US.
Mass. is a "may issue" state.

My brother is a US military veteran, clean record, clean lifestyle.
His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.

Mass. LTC applicants must be interviewed by their local police departments, who have the
power to say yes or not to the LTC application.

Around October 2016 my brother set an appointment with his local police department's detective
who was in charge of the LTC interviews. The appointment was about 10 weeks out, on 12/28/16.
He was approved for his LTC as a result of that interview, and told that the plastic was to be
available about 3/15/17. Another 10 week wait.

About 3/7/17 my brother was getting antsy and visited his local police station. His plastic
was at the police station with an issuance date of 2/14/17! His local LEO's had been sitting on
his approved plastic for the better part of a month without letting him know it was in!

Since he didn't have a handgun, he started window shopping for his first handgun. He had looked
at a lot of them, but was initially drawn to a Canik 9MM. He liked the looks and feel of the pistol,
but it didn't have a manual safety, which he wanted.

He asked me about Canik. I knew it was Turkish, but I couldn't recall anyone on this board recently
who had one, and their opinion of it. I tried to encourage him to go with one of the more familiar
pistol brands.

Mass. has an "approved list" of handguns. You can't buy certain brands or models. I believe Springfield
Armory and Taurus handguns are not on the list. So I couldn't suggest a Springer, which I like.

The next time he went shopping for his handgun, he handled about 8 or 10 different models. He could
not remember all the models.

I had previously pointed him in the direction of either a Smith and Wesson Shield, or a Ruger American.
He handled the Shield, as well as a Ruger SR9.

He went home with the Shield, 9MM, with a manual safety, for $379.

Mission accomplished.

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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Take Down Sicko » Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:56 pm

I have that same pistol and its a great gun. Buying holsters can be habit forming. I have at least five different ones for my shield 9mm. I think he will be happy with it once he get some practice in. Welcome to the "Can't Have Enough Pistols" club.(and accessories)

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Postby Bitter Clinger » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:27 pm

There is some entirely liberal perversion of reality when you cannot legally purchase a "Springfield Armory" firearm in Mass. Where did they think the name originated??? :mad5

I am surprised that they haven't completely run S&W out of Springfield yet as well. Just give them time... :banghead:
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Liberty » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:46 pm

When I moved to Texas I had to give up the right to carry a handgun, Back in those days geting a handgun permit wasn't a big deal, Filled out an application at the police station, Waited a couple of weeks and they called me in. They sent me to dungeons of the police station. Had me shoot a few rounds at a paper target with the gun they provided me with.
I moved to Texas I was stripped of these rights. Things have changed so much
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Jusme » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:56 am

His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.


This seems to me to be the most ridiculous part of the process, (not that it isn't full of overreach) I would think that this would open up a black market, for the more proficient writers, to sell essays which had gotten approval. Sort of like term papers for students do now.
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby anygunanywhere » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:19 am

Jusme wrote:His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.


This seems to me to be the most ridiculous part of the process, (not that it isn't full of overreach) I would think that this would open up a black market, for the more proficient writers, to sell essays which had gotten approval. Sort of like term papers for students do now.


Do they deduct points for grammar, punctuation, and spelling errors??
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Lynyrd » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:02 am

An essay? Really? :shock:

For me, that might be one of those few situations where I would have a hard time telling it like it is.
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Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:55 am

The process is ridiculous, obviously. But I would have had a good time writing the essay. I likely would have felt compelled to quote the Federalist papers, and to go into a lengthy dissertation on the events leading up to the founding of this country. Maybe start with why I would like to please have the privileges of voting, practicing my religious beliefs, and speaking my mind on political topics. Then I would explain why I believe that I should be "allowed" to exercise my natural human right to keep and bear arms.
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby jb2012 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:11 am

anygunanywhere wrote:
Do they deduct points for grammar, punctuation, and spelling errors??

The grammar nazi in me sure hopes so! :biggrinjester:

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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Schleprock » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:12 am

anygunanywhere wrote:
Jusme wrote:His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.


This seems to me to be the most ridiculous part of the process, (not that it isn't full of overreach) I would think that this would open up a black market, for the more proficient writers, to sell essays which had gotten approval. Sort of like term papers for students do now.


Do they deduct points for grammar, punctuation, and spelling errors??


Thoughts drift to Ralphy and his Red Ryder BB gun essay... Application denied! You'll shoot your eye out!
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby ELB » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:05 am

If you want to read something sad and horrifying, go to http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/ and read through the posts on how to get a firearms permit in NY. Not to carry, just to have one at home and to the range, and only the range, with. They have a separate forum for Nassau County (whose DA has traditionally been extremely anti-gun, especially anti-handgun), and another for Suffolk County, and one for NYC and NYS. What a nightmare.

It's nice that Mass has apparently made some advancements, but still ...
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby rotor » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:54 am

Jusme wrote:His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.


This seems to me to be the most ridiculous part of the process, (not that it isn't full of overreach) I would think that this would open up a black market, for the more proficient writers, to sell essays which had gotten approval. Sort of like term papers for students do now.

Seems like requiring reading skill to be able to vote. Now you need to have writing skills as well. Couldn't some "disadvantaged minority" claim discrimination? Wish S&W and Savage would vote with their feet. Follow Magpul's lead.


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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:03 pm

rotor wrote:
Jusme wrote:His application required him to write an essay detailing why he wanted his LTC.


This seems to me to be the most ridiculous part of the process, (not that it isn't full of overreach) I would think that this would open up a black market, for the more proficient writers, to sell essays which had gotten approval. Sort of like term papers for students do now.

Seems like requiring reading skill to be able to vote. Now you need to have writing skills as well. Couldn't some "disadvantaged minority" claim discrimination? Wish S&W and Savage would vote with their feet. Follow Magpul's lead.


This is a good point. If a voter ID law is discriminatory because a lot of minorities can't get a picture ID, then how is an essay requirement not also discriminatory. I'm sure the ACLU will be all over this.

Oh wait. I forgot that the ACLU is only interested in supporting liberal endorsed civil liberties nowadays.
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Re: Mass. brother's red tape journey to his LTC & 1st pistol

Postby surprise_i'm_armed » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:44 pm

Another firearm maker in Mass. that should leave is Kahr.
They are based in Worcester.

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