Southwest pilot arrested after gun found in carry-on luggage
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:33 pm
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The reason why the pilot was detained / arrested is because Missouri Code states that airports are off-limits:Soccerdad1995 wrote:This story has several issues. First, Missouri is a "constitutional carry" state, meaning that no LTC equivalent is required. So I'm not sure why the story bothers to mention that the pilot didn't have a permit. Second, why would he be charged with "unlawful use" of a firearm? Maybe carry = use in Missouri?
I'm assuming that Missouri does not have similar laws to Texas where we must be given the chance to secure a weapon in our cars or checked baggage...
Permitless Carry
571.030. 1. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons, except as otherwise provided by
sections 571.101 to 571.121, if he or she knowingly:
(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon
readily capable of lethal use into any area where firearms are restricted under section 571.107.
571.107
1. Permit Does Not Authorize Concealed Firearms, Where:
(8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property. Possession
of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the airport shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is
not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
That makes sense. Texas (and likely just about every other state) has a similar restriction on carry. Where we apparently have it better than our brethren in MO is that if we forget about a gun in our checked bag, we are given the opportunity to rectify the situation as opposed to being arrested.OneGun wrote:The reason why the pilot was detained / arrested is because Missouri Code states that airports are off-limits:Soccerdad1995 wrote:This story has several issues. First, Missouri is a "constitutional carry" state, meaning that no LTC equivalent is required. So I'm not sure why the story bothers to mention that the pilot didn't have a permit. Second, why would he be charged with "unlawful use" of a firearm? Maybe carry = use in Missouri?
I'm assuming that Missouri does not have similar laws to Texas where we must be given the chance to secure a weapon in our cars or checked baggage...
571.107
1. Permit Does Not Authorize Concealed Firearms, Where:
(8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property. Possession
of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the airport shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is
not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
Can you please direct me to the source of that? I've not heard that, but it is refreshing. Thank you.crazy2medic wrote:... if we forget about a gun in our checked bag, we are given the opportunity to rectify the situation as opposed to being arrested.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... n-luggage/Pritchical wrote:Can you please direct me to the source of that? I've not heard that, but it is refreshing. Thank you.crazy2medic wrote:... if we forget about a gun in our checked bag, we are given the opportunity to rectify the situation as opposed to being arrested.
Pritchical wrote:Can you please direct me to the source of that? I've not heard that, but it is refreshing. Thank you.crazy2medic wrote:... if we forget about a gun in our checked bag, we are given the opportunity to rectify the situation as opposed to being arrested.
I believe it does. Although honestly I think it would be very unlikely for someone to forget they had a gun on their person. Maybe if they were wearing a real heavy coat and had a small J frame in one of the pockets? Much more likely to forget that a gun is in your carry-on. Especially if you use the same bag for your range bag (bad idea, IMHO).Pritchical wrote:Thanks for the quick response, guys. That's comforting. It looks to me like it includes carrying on your person as well as in a carry-on though.
I believe you are correct, sir. These are good points for clarification.rotor wrote:I believe the exemption in Texas is only if you have an LTC and are carrying or have it in your bag as you go through the non-secure to the secure area. If they find the gun than you can go back to the non-secure area area without being arrested. I do not think this covers having a gun in "checked" baggage which I assume they x-ray or something. You can have a gun in checked baggage if you go through the airline notification process. This is only for those people with LTC that carry into secure area by mistake.
Maybe I am missing something but..... if someone forgets they are carrying a firearm maybe that person does not really need to be carrying a firearm.Soccerdad1995 wrote:I believe it does. Although honestly I think it would be very unlikely for someone to forget they had a gun on their person. Maybe if they were wearing a real heavy coat and had a small J frame in one of the pockets? Much more likely to forget that a gun is in your carry-on. Especially if you use the same bag for your range bag (bad idea, IMHO).Pritchical wrote:Thanks for the quick response, guys. That's comforting. It looks to me like it includes carrying on your person as well as in a carry-on though.
Also note that you may still have issues with a missed flight, etc. Especially if you didn't drive yourself to the airport.
First thing that comes to mind is women and their purses! My wife has rushed out of the house many times headed to a place she should know is off limits....Smokey613 wrote:Maybe I am missing something but..... if someone forgets they are carrying a firearm maybe that person does not really need to be carrying a firearm.Soccerdad1995 wrote:I believe it does. Although honestly I think it would be very unlikely for someone to forget they had a gun on their person. Maybe if they were wearing a real heavy coat and had a small J frame in one of the pockets? Much more likely to forget that a gun is in your carry-on. Especially if you use the same bag for your range bag (bad idea, IMHO).Pritchical wrote:Thanks for the quick response, guys. That's comforting. It looks to me like it includes carrying on your person as well as in a carry-on though.
Also note that you may still have issues with a missed flight, etc. Especially if you didn't drive yourself to the airport.