This is SO Wrong...

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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby OlBill » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:20 pm

Jusme wrote:What I find most troubling, in the article, is that police department's, claim that they lost a large amount of funding, under the more restrictive regulations. The idea that a department is funded, due to crime, sends the wrong message. First, it encourages, over zealous seizures, and second, it would also open the door for selective enforcement, in that rather than try to prevent crime in the first place, it would allow small time dealers to get bigger, to acquire a larger haul.
Asset forfeiture was never designed, nor should it be used, as a budgeting tool. It should only be used, to provide things, not budgeted. And only after due process, has been met, to allow for the forfeiture in the first place. JMHO

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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby TEX » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:13 am

These type forfeiture laws are something the Nazis would have loved. It is a law ripe for abuse - and it does get abused. It is confiscation of property without due process. If the person is convicted of a crime and the assets tie to it, then perhaps it is a viable law, but under this law as it is, no arrest, prosecution or conviction is necessary to confiscate the property. Does this sound like what the founding fathers had in mind or the sort of thing King George had in mind?

Imagine, if you will, that your place of employment transferred you to another city hundreds of miles away. You don't want to sell the house you are leaving which is worth $200K, and is paid off, because the housing market is depressed, so you decided to rent it out until the market is better. The renter decides to make meth in the garage or grow weed in the back yard - unknown to you. The police find it and guess what.........

BLAMMO - YOU LOOSE THE HOUSE

Now you can appeal this confiscation, but under present law you have to put up one third the value of the property as a sort of bond. You don't happen to have $60K laying around in cash so you can't protest or challenge it. BTW, if you did show up with $60K cash, they could just claim that was drug money and take that too.

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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby steveincowtown » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:43 am

RoyGBiv wrote:Theft unless convicted.

:iagree:

It really is that simple.
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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby mrvmax » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:25 am

I knew people that would buy and sell antiques when I was in the Air Force in the 90's and they would routinely carry 10-20k in cash. I've carried 10k on be before and I know other people that do for one reason or another. I even have a co worker that would take 10k in cash or more to Vegas. The common theme is that all carried large amounts of cash and none of them were doing anything illegal and it would be theft to confiscate the money from any of them.


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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby ninjabread » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:32 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Pariah3j wrote:Asset forfeiture is legalized theft. IMO it's tyranny unless you can prove the funds or item was gained only from a crime. This guilt until proven innocent that is applied to property needs to go...


:iagree:

Tyranny, plain and simple. This is exactly the type of behavior that incites revolutions, including the one we had back in 1776. There is no excuse for this criminal behavior. None.

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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby thatguyoverthere » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:59 pm

So how did we get to this?

More importantly, how do we get back to the way it should be?

Is it even possible to correct this situation, or are we too far gone now?

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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby Lynyrd » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:24 pm

Jusme wrote:What I find most troubling, in the article, is that police department's, claim that they lost a large amount of funding, under the more restrictive regulations. The idea that a department is funded, due to crime, sends the wrong message. First, it encourages, over zealous seizures, and second, it would also open the door for selective enforcement, in that rather than try to prevent crime in the first place, it would allow small time dealers to get bigger, to acquire a larger haul.
Asset forfeiture was never designed, nor should it be used, as a budgeting tool. It should only be used, to provide things, not budgeted. And only after due process, has been met, to allow for the forfeiture in the first place. JMHO


:iagree: Well said sir.
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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby Liberty » Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:18 am

thatguyoverthere wrote:So how did we get to this?

More importantly, how do we get back to the way it should be?


Is it even possible to correct this situation, or are we too far gone now?

It won't be fixed because not enough people care.
There is very little citizen concern about these travesties. Republicans want law and order and will support the police state. Democrats want control and money of all their subjects. It doesn't serve anyone's political interest to fix this.

Democrats expect government to fix everything according to their everchanging rules of political correctness.
Republicans want government to be the arbitor of all morality and all should live according to their strict code.
Libertarians are considered dangerous radicals because they believe government should be less intrusive in the citizens' lives.
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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby Soccerdad1995 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:40 am

Liberty wrote:Democrats expect government to fix everything according to their everchanging rules of political correctness.
Republicans want government to be the arbitor of all morality and all should live according to their strict code.
Libertarians are considered dangerous radicals because they believe government should be less intrusive in the citizens' lives.


:iagree: Very well put
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Re: This is SO Wrong...

Postby Darth Paul » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:56 pm

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Liberty wrote:Democrats expect government to fix everything according to their everchanging rules of political correctness.
Republicans want government to be the arbitor of all morality and all should live according to their strict code.
Libertarians are considered dangerous radicals because they believe government should be less intrusive in the citizens' lives.


:iagree: Very well put

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