national reciprocity and fix nics

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national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby LSUTiger » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:53 am

Chance favors the prepared. Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.
There is no safety in denial. When seconds count the Police are only minutes away.
Sometimes I really wish a lawyer would chime in and clear things up. Do we have any lawyers on this forum?

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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby RoyGBiv » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:51 pm

This is being discussed on page 5 here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)
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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby LSUTiger » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:05 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?
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There is no safety in denial. When seconds count the Police are only minutes away.
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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby RoyGBiv » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:25 pm

LSUTiger wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?

You can see Charles' brief reply in the thread I linked..
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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:36 pm

LSUTiger wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?


It's the truth. Now show us specific sections of the bill you claim do.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017120 ... n-congress

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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby LSUTiger » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:56 pm

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LSUTiger wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?


It's the truth. Now show us specific sections of the bill you claim do.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017120 ... n-congress

Chas.



I don’t need to prove anything to anyone to not support a bill I already contacted my Senators and Representatives to urge them not to support Combined Legislation and to not support FixNICS.

I simply don’t trust anything the democratics support especially the likes of Dianne Frankentein and Chuck Schumer and summarily reject it out of hand.

Why are they trying to sneak Fix NICS into National Reciprocity? They should be stand alone bills! Trying to sneak it by in combined bills makes it even more suspicious and all the more reason I won’t support it.
Chance favors the prepared. Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.
There is no safety in denial. When seconds count the Police are only minutes away.
Sometimes I really wish a lawyer would chime in and clear things up. Do we have any lawyers on this forum?


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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby mr1337 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:19 pm

LSUTiger wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
LSUTiger wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?


It's the truth. Now show us specific sections of the bill you claim do.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017120 ... n-congress

Chas.



I don’t need to prove anything to anyone to not support a bill I already contacted my Senators and Representatives to urge them not to support Combined Legislation and to not support FixNICS.

I simply don’t trust anything the democratics support especially the likes of Dianne Frankentein and Chuck Schumer and summarily reject it out of hand.

Why are they trying to sneak Fix NICS into National Reciprocity? They should be stand alone bills! Trying to sneak it by in combined bills makes it even more suspicious and all the more reason I won’t support it.


Pretty sure it's because we need 8 (D) votes in the Senate to prevent a filibuster.

FixNICS doesn't change who is eligible and who is ineligible to own a firearm. I think wrapping it into reciprocity was a good move try to get some votes from the other side of the aisle.
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Re: national reciprocity and fix nics

Postby Charles L. Cotton » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:42 pm

LSUTiger wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
LSUTiger wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:This is being discussed on page 5 here: http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=90799

Bottom line.... There is no new rulemaking authority granted to anyone in the NICS check bill. We (2A advocates) have been screaming for years "Enforce existing laws".. That's is all that the NICS bill does... There is nothing in that bill that enables any agency to do anything it cannot already do today. (except for adding a training budget for NICS data entry training)



is that what the NRA told you?


It's the truth. Now show us specific sections of the bill you claim do.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017120 ... n-congress

Chas.



I don’t need to prove anything to anyone to not support a bill I already contacted my Senators and Representatives to urge them not to support Combined Legislation and to not support FixNICS.


You're right, you don't. But the next time you insuniate that the NRA is lying about a bill's content, then you better show proof or you'll be gone.

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