Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby MeMelYup » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:22 pm

Glockster wrote:Where would this fall into it - Town Green Park is a township owned park located in The Woodlands, and the sign prohibits "Weapons/Guns" within the park. I'm assuming that this isn't a violation of 30.06/30.07 as they don't have either of those signs or the language. And I'm assuming that they cannot by law simply ban weapons without the usual language that allows licensed carry? And if so, what is the best way to deal with this?

That sign has no effect on a licensed carrier.


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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby treadlightly » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:06 am

Add Coryell county to the list - http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Gatesv ... 76121.html

But here's what really bugs me about this sort of thing, beyond the obvious.

If my defense attorney shared offices with the judge and kept his records in spaces controlled by the judge's policies, I would have no doubt the prosecutor would raise all kinds of explosive ex parte objections that would stick like glue.

I would like to think the judge would be censured or impeached and the defense attorney disbarred.

But when I raise this issue the other way around, questioning the ex parte purity of a prosecutor billeted in what amounts to the judge's offices, it's just crazy old me raising straw arguments. Again.

Confusing, this world of ours. I keep looking for logic and that clouds my understanding.

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby puma guy » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:24 pm

[quote="treadlightly"]Add Coryell county to the list - http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Gatesv ... 76121.html

But here's what really bugs me about this sort of thing, beyond the obvious.

If my defense attorney shared offices with the judge and kept his records in spaces controlled by the judge's policies, I would have no doubt the prosecutor would raise all kinds of explosive ex parte objections that would stick like glue.

I would like to think the judge would be censured or impeached and the defense attorney disbarred.

But when I raise this issue the other way around, questioning the ex parte purity of a prosecutor billeted in what amounts to the judge's offices, it's just crazy old me raising straw arguments. Again.

Confusing, this world of ours. I keep looking for logic and that clouds my understanding.[/qu

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby mojo84 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:38 pm

Just received a notification Kendall County Courthouse has been posted. Very frustrating as the courts are on the 2nd and 3rd floors. The metal detectors are on the second floor as one exits the elevators and stairs. I reached out to a friend that is closely involved in the courthouse to find out what's up.

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Well, from what I was told, the 30.06 and 30.07 signs are for the 2nd floor (where the courtrooms are located), 3rd floor (where the commissioners court meeting room is located) and the county clerk's office on the first floor.

Now to my question. Is the county clerk's office essential to the operation of the courts and is it valid to post it pursuant to 30.06 and 30.07?

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby KC5AV » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:14 pm

I noticed on Saturday morning that the Harrison county courthouse has replaced their old 30.06 with new matching 30.06 and 30.07 signs.
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Postby RedRaiderCHL » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:21 pm

JohnWayne wrote:Texas Tech University in Lubbock probably has 30+ 30.06 signs on every road in to and through campus. They probably doubled the number of them in the past 12 months, too.

I called up the General Counsel office a couple months ago to let them know about it. I actually got someone who has a CHL and understood the uselessness of the signs. He said the intent of the University was to keep Billiy Bob from carrying shotguns openly in the gun rack in his pickup - and similar situations.

The GC office sent a letter to the President's office recommending that all of the signs be taken down and replaced with something else saying that guns are not allowed on University property (which isn't true, but at least it's an improvement). I have been playing phone tag with the Chief of Staff for the President's office for the past week to get some answers on this. I am hoping to finally get ahold of him Monday even if I have to sit around all day doing it.

I am sure they will try to feed me some bull, but we will see. I'll keep everyone posted.

It really irritates me that abuse/ignorance like this goes on on such a large scale.

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby TrueFlog » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:15 pm

I saw on Texas3006.com that the Plano ISD administrative building is now posted. It's not a proper 30.06/30.07 sign, but rather one that states "Handguns Prohibited" and has the text of Section 46.03 (a)(1) in both English and Spanish. Is this building really off-limits by statute? Clearly it's not a school, but rather an office building.

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby oljames3 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:42 pm

TrueFlog wrote:I saw on Texas3006.com that the Plano ISD administrative building is now posted. It's not a proper 30.06/30.07 sign, but rather one that states "Handguns Prohibited" and has the text of Section 46.03 (a)(1) in both English and Spanish. Is this building really off-limits by statute? Clearly it's not a school, but rather an office building.

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby mojo84 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:43 pm

Can anyone tell me if a County Clerk's office can be legitimately made off limits for carry? Is the County Clerk's office considered "essential to the operations" of the courtrooms?

From AG opinion.

Pursuant to Opinion KP-0047, it is only the courtrooms, and
those offices determined to be essential to their operations, from
which Hays County may prohibit concealed handguns without risk
of incurring a civil penalty under section 411.209 of the Government
Code.


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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby Jeff Barriault » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:02 pm

Galveston County Health District
Environmental Services Building
9850-A Emmet F. Lowry Expressway
Texas City, TX 77591

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I forwarded a copy of Charles' complaint form to Galveston County Judge Mark Henry's office. I will follow up with a complaint to the TX AG's office on Monday if the sign is not removed.

On a side note, the sign has the old language "GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW)". Is this sign now invalid because the new language is "GOVERNMENT CODE (HANDGUN LICENSING LAW)"?


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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby Jeff Barriault » Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:47 pm

Jeff Barriault wrote:Galveston County Health District
Environmental Services Building
9850-A Emmet F. Lowry Expressway
Texas City, TX 77591

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I forwarded a copy of Charles' complaint form to Galveston County Judge Mark Henry's office. I will follow up with a complaint to the TX AG's office on Monday if the sign is not removed.

On a side note, the sign has the old language "GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW)". Is this sign now invalid because the new language is "GOVERNMENT CODE (HANDGUN LICENSING LAW)"?


Wow, that was a prompt response. Kudos to Judge Henry!

Mark Henry wrote:Mr. Barriault:

Thank you for the email.

I've been directing these signs taken down since before the recent changes in the law. I'm a strong supporter of lawful concealed carry, I've even personally paid for CHL classes for county employees, about 50 so far.

Rest assured those signs (which got missed somehow) will be down Wednesday if they aren't already.

Thanks again for the notification.

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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby Jusme » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:17 pm

,Great job glad to see the judge responded and is a supporter. I'm sure there are probably a lot of places where signs have been left due to negligence rather than by design. I call that a win.
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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby kg5ie » Sat Apr 02, 2016 5:15 pm

City of Forrest Hills has their civic center posted both 30.06 and 30.07. I complained to the city mayor and attorney. No response.
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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby spx74 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:30 pm

Just a follow up on my 11/ 2015 post on the Mesquite Police station; 30.06 & .07 signs are down now :thumbs2: :txflag:


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Re: Cities improperly posting 30.06 signs?

Postby RicoTX » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:59 pm

Burnet County is refusing to remove signs from Marble Falls Annex. The CA did at least send me a letter stating the building was too small to protect otherwise. Funny enough I enclosed the AGs response letter to Brazos County when I sent the initial complaint. Anyway, I have already submitted information to AG, including the City of Marble Falls, who never even responded to my initial complaint.

Why these officials think LTC holders are a danger to society is beyond me...of course the State does as well to an extent or the limitations wouldn't exist in the first place.

Let's hope for some clarification next session one way or the other. Also how is it legal to enforce an illegal sign? Doesn't that violate an oath somewhere?

How is it legal for a peace officer to enforce an illegal city or county "rule" ? If a licensed officer enforced a law they know is illegal, shouldn't they also share some responsibility?


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