HB 560 - Holy Grail?

This forum will be open on Sept. 1, 2016.

Moderators: carlson1, Keith B, Charles L. Cotton

Locked
User avatar

Lambda Force
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:18 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#316

Post by Lambda Force »

Beiruty wrote:I did not want to comment again, but in next elections, each nominee would be asked would you co-author and sponsor HB 560?
Why bother when we already know who did or didn't sign on to HB 560 this year?
Tyranny is identified by what is legal for government employees but illegal for the citizenry.
User avatar

Liberty
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 15
Posts: 6343
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:49 pm
Location: Galveston
Contact:

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#317

Post by Liberty »

We really don't know! 560 was silently and pretty anonymously killed. Was killed by the homeland security committee. The rest of the lege didn't get a chance to take a stand. The problem with the process is that the state reps have almost complete plausible deniability. They can claim one position behave contrary to it and then claim it was beyond their control. A Texas State Reps decisions and actions are often more about positioning and politicking than it is about real issues. This is why gun bills, if they get to the open floor, always get approved by large margins but have such a difficult time actually getting put to an open vote.
Liberty''s Blog
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." John F. Kennedy
User avatar

Lambda Force
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:18 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#318

Post by Lambda Force »

They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.
Tyranny is identified by what is legal for government employees but illegal for the citizenry.

Ruark
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 12
Posts: 1789
Joined: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:11 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#319

Post by Ruark »

Lambda Force wrote:They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.
This is part of what frustrates me. Even if we DO round up all these supportive sponsors, endorsers, etc. in the legislature, it still just takes one person to sink it.
-Ruark
User avatar

canvasbck
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 1101
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:45 pm
Location: Alvin

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#320

Post by canvasbck »

Ruark wrote:
Lambda Force wrote:They didn't vote on the floor. That's true.

But Beruity proposed asking each candidate at election time if they would co-author or sponsor a bill similar to HB 560. I think that is unnecessary and possibly misleading. What politicians say to get our votes doesn't always match what they do in office. A better indication of where they stand is whether or not they signed on as a co-author or sponsor to HB 560 this session.
This is part of what frustrates me. Even if we DO round up all these supportive sponsors, endorsers, etc. in the legislature, it still just takes one person to sink it.
This is what is wrong in Austin and in Washington!!

It is impossible to target those who are adept at killing bills quietly without also throwing bombs at those who were friendly to us behind the scenes. For all we know (and will ever know) it could have been a co-author who took part in killing it as part of a deal to get support on other legislation.
"All bleeding eventually stops.......quit whining!"

omegaman
Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 89
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:02 pm
Location: Corpus Christi

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#321

Post by omegaman »

I'm really looking forward to reading Charles' summary of the sausage making this session, when it's all said and done.

Boxerrider
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 447
Joined: Sun May 14, 2006 9:22 am
Location: Central Texas

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#322

Post by Boxerrider »

Liberty wrote:We really don't know! 560 was silently and pretty anonymously killed. Was killed by the homeland security committee. The rest of the lege didn't get a chance to take a stand. The problem with the process is that the state reps have almost complete plausible deniability. They can claim one position behave contrary to it and then claim it was beyond their control. A Texas State Reps decisions and actions are often more about positioning and politicking than it is about real issues. This is why gun bills, if they get to the open floor, always get approved by large margins but have such a difficult time actually getting put to an open vote.
I emailed my representative, J. D. Sheffield, about it last spring and never received a reply. That tells me where he stands.
User avatar

Lambda Force
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 600
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:18 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#323

Post by Lambda Force »

Boxerrider wrote:I emailed my representative, J. D. Sheffield, about it last spring and never received a reply. That tells me where he stands.
:iagree:

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." - S G Hupp
Tyranny is identified by what is legal for government employees but illegal for the citizenry.
User avatar

ScottDLS
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 8
Posts: 5052
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:04 am
Location: DFW Area, TX

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#324

Post by ScottDLS »

I think we need to take a page from the US Congress, and name our bills like HB560 something very patriotic and law enforcement friendly, regardless of the contents of the bill.

HB560 - Saving First Responders Lives by Empowering Honest Texans Act
HB1911 - Restoring Civil Rights to Minorities Act
SB349 - Providing Safe Educational Environment Act
SB88 - Improving Stoplight Safety to Save the Children Act
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"
User avatar

CleverNickname
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 649
Joined: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:36 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#325

Post by CleverNickname »

HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”

Papa_Tiger
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 10
Posts: 867
Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 9:55 am

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#326

Post by Papa_Tiger »

CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
Be careful what you wish for there. That has been used to ensure that the Legislature and ONLY the Legislature has that power. Otherwise cities would be free to create their own ordinances and regulations regulating the wearing of arms.
User avatar

ScottDLS
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 8
Posts: 5052
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:04 am
Location: DFW Area, TX

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#327

Post by ScottDLS »

Papa_Tiger wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
Be careful what you wish for there. That has been used to ensure that the Legislature and ONLY the Legislature has that power. Otherwise cities would be free to create their own ordinances and regulations regulating the wearing of arms.
Except that they are preempted by State law from doing so and removing the Legislature's specific grant of power to regulate, doesn't seem to make counties and municipalities able to do so. That is if they haven't found that power somewhere in the other 199 pages of the Texas Constitution. :biggrinjester:
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"

locke_n_load
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 13
Posts: 1000
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:35 pm

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#328

Post by locke_n_load »

CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
I wonder when that clause was added to the Texas Constitution - something tells me it was not in there originally... and whoever added it was a liar (it's always about control, not crime).
CHL Holder since 10/08
NRA Certified Instructor
Former LTC Instructor
User avatar

G.A. Heath
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2973
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:39 pm
Location: Western Texas

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#329

Post by G.A. Heath »

locke_n_load wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:HJR (whatever) - The Every Child Should Have a Cute Puppy or Kitten Act - modifies Article 1, Section 23 of the Texas Constitution to remove the phrase "but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.”
I wonder when that clause was added to the Texas Constitution - something tells me it was not in there originally... and whoever added it was a liar (it's always about control, not crime).
During reconstruction.
How do you explain a dog named Sauer without first telling the story of a Puppy named Sig?
R.I.P. Sig, 08/21/2019 - 11/18/2019
User avatar

RoyGBiv
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 7
Posts: 9505
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:41 am
Location: Fort Worth

Re: HB 560 - Holy Grail?

#330

Post by RoyGBiv »

So does the collective applaude or condemn the actions of the House Freedom Caucus this week?
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-l ... ouse-learn

Stickland et-al ain't for the faint of heart. But his 2A Bona Fides are hard to deny.
Sometimes change is messy. Sometimes messy isn't productive.

Good or bad?
I am not a lawyer. This is NOT legal advice.!
Nothing tempers idealism quite like the cold bath of reality.... SQLGeek
Locked

Return to “2017 Texas Legislative Session”