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Very well. Guess I had a guilty conscious.puma guy wrote:Since I quoted no one I thought it would be obvious my post was in response to the original post and the idiot who wrote the article. If you think I would refer to or call some one on this forum an idiot and a fool you are wrong; I would not.mojo84 wrote:To whom are you referring?puma guy wrote:I will not suffer idiots and fools. This guy is both!
Your comments mirror those of OCT and we know how effective they are and have been.AJSully421 wrote:With respect, anyone for whom my comment would be taken as such would think the same of you.mojo84 wrote:This is the kind of comment that makes us all look like radical nutjobs. It definitely doesn't advance our cause by changing hearts and minds. It leads to further divisiveness and animosity and that is not what we need.AJSully421 wrote: Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.
To a rabid anti-gun liberal, you are clinically insane for even being interested in "instruments of death and destruction". The fact that you are a member of a forum that promotes owning and carrying hidden handguns that, in their view, can only be used to shoot blacks, gays, and children is all the evidence that they need that you are a nut.
I do not live my life, nor do I temper my posts, based on what some liberal will misconstrue my words to mean. They already have convinced themselves that all of us are insane, and nothing that we say or do will change that. You will never advance your cause with words on the Internet. You want to win hearts and minds, take them to a range. But even then, they may be "terrified" and have "short-term PTSD" after firing a gun.
Go do your thing and don't get hung up on how you are perceived by others.
To whom are you referring?puma guy wrote:I will not suffer idiots and fools. This guy is both!
Soccerdad1995 wrote:I think you are reading more into the comment than I did. I took it as an acknowledgement that he would not back down from the challenge, not a desire for the conflict.mojo84 wrote:JALLEN wrote:Worse than being imprisoned for possession of a AR15 clone, or a standard magazine?Dave2 wrote:
A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.Did you overlook this comment or just accept it as being ok? I agree with the rest of the comment but I cannot support looking forward to it as if it some kind of exciting event. There is a difference between acknowledging something and being prepared than gleefully looking forward to it.Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America
Soccerdad, Appeasement is not what my comment is suggesting. Don't twist what I say for the sake of argument. I am very confident none of them was looking forward to and excited about the "fight". Don't try to claim they were.
The conflict here is caused by people who are trying to take away rights from people. I hate that we have people who want to take away our rights. I wish that people did not have that desire to oppress others in this way. I sincerely wish that we could all live in peace and harmony. I really do. But we simply can't stop all evil people from being evil just by wishing that they were different.
The reality is that there are bad people in this world. One of them gave a campaign speech yesterday where he publicly announced that he wants to take away the rights and freedoms of Americans. And that man currently has the sworn loyalty of the most powerful military in the world. So, as much as we all hate it, our choices may well come down to either some level of appeasement by giving up our rights (which will eventually turn into a complete and total abandonment of all rights) or following the examples of our forefathers and exercising our right to change our system of government. Let's all strive to avoid that eventuality if at all possible, but if it comes to it, then yes I welcome the prospect of a fight precisely because the other alternative is so, so much worse.
I didn't say he did. He is the one that went on the rant and brought up the Founders and tried to relate it to what I said about part of Sully's comment. While a battle may be necessary, it surely isn't something we should eagerly look forward to it as something that we "can't wait for". A civil war or rebellion is not equivalent to Christmas or our birthday.mayor wrote:I didn't read anything in Soccerdad1995's comment that suggested the founders were looking forward or excited about fighting. What I read from the founders is exactly the opposite:mojo84 wrote:Soccerdad, Appeasement is not what my comment is suggesting. Don't twist what I say for the sake of argument. I am very confident none of them was looking forward to and excited about the "fight". Don't try to claim they were.Soccerdad1995 wrote: Appeasement is not what we need, either. That approach has proven to be a failure.
Personally, I feel that the founders got it right in almost all respects. Especially when they said that when a government becomes destructive of the means for it's existence, then it is the right of the people to overthrow that government and replace it with a new one. Many folks at the time called them "radical nut jobs". But they persevered, and I am glad they did so.
All of us who have fought in wars can agree that it is a terrible thing that should be avoided if at all possible. But avoidance of that terrible thing is not worth giving up our freedoms. That price is just a bit too much, IMHO.
I also see that the founders said it is not only their right, it is their DUTY to throw off such government.In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776
A DECLARATION...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I think the current evils are sufferable. I'm not happy about some of them, but I'll hedge my bets and hope that men smarter than me make the determination that they are no longer sufferable. If that time comes, God help us all. And when it is finished, nothing will be the same.
JALLEN wrote:Worse than being imprisoned for possession of a AR15 clone, or a standard magazine?Dave2 wrote:
A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.
Did you overlook this comment or just accept it as being ok? I agree with the rest of the comment but I cannot support looking forward to it as if it some kind of exciting event. There is a difference between acknowledging something and being prepared than gleefully looking forward to it.Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America
This is the kind of comment that makes us all look like radical nutjobs. It definitely doesn't advance our cause by changing hearts and minds. It leads to further divisiveness and animosity and that is not what we need.AJSully421 wrote: Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.