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by Vol Texan
Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:50 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"
Replies: 68
Views: 56703

Re: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"

SQLGeek wrote:I expect Vol Texan has a few PMs waiting in his inbox right now, one of them mine. :D
Indeed I do - four in total. I promise to send all individual responses, letting you know where you are on the queue.
by Vol Texan
Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:48 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"
Replies: 68
Views: 56703

Re: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"

G26ster wrote:Just put my last M1 Carbine on consignment at my lgs here in Hurst. Quality Hardware was received from the CMP as a barreled receiver that I built up with all Quality Hardware parts (except type II barrel band). Will go on GB if not sold in a few days. Asking $995 firm. Call Mike at Oakwood Arms 817-510-6464 if interested. Here's the parts list:

Stock – Q-RMC Type II – marked Q-RMC in sling well – QHMC cartouche (cut down to low wood)
Buttplate – QHMC
Recoil Plate – Type III QHMC – marked RO-Q
Barrel – Underwood – marked Underwood 12-43 (Quality did not make barrels and used mainly Underwood barrels)
Barrel Band – Type II (cut down Type III) marked A in circle – (should be unmarked)
Front Sight – Type II marked PO-Q)
Rear Sight – Type III marked IRCO
Trigger Housing – Type III marked NL-Q (Type III & IV in mixed use at this time)
Trigger – Type II marked LT-Q
Sear – Type II marked GE-Q
Hammer – Type III marked LT-Q
Slide – Type III marked UN-Q
Bolt – Type III marked EMQ
Extractor – Marked ST-Q
Safety – Type III unmarked (unmarked is correct)
Mag Catch – Type IIA marked EP-Q

I used Craig Riesch's "U.S. M1 Carbines, Wartime Production" and "War Baby" by Larry L. Ruth as my guides to correct parts. These are the definitive guides for M1 Carbine collectors.
I have not catalogued the parts for all 8 of 'mine', but I will for the one that I'm keeping for myself. Yes, I know I SHOULD have gone through all of them to see if I could cross-level the parts to get one as fully homogeneous as possible, but to be honest, I felt responsible to keep them exactly as they came from CMP - mixmatched and all.

I have the same book from Riesch. It is a fantastic read for anyone who wants to learn about the M1 Carbine. Another interesting tidbit is found on this page (http://fulton-armory.com/faqs/M1C-FAQs/M1Carbine.htm):

Inland Manufacturing Division, G.M.C. 2,632,097 43.0%
Winchester Repeating Arms Co. 828,059 13.5%
Underwood-Elliot-Fisher Co. 545,616 8.9%
*Saginaw Steering Gear Div., G.M.C. 517,212 8.5%
**National Postal Meter Co. 413,017 6.8%
***Quality Hardware & Machine Co. 359,666 5.9%
International Business Machines Corp (IBM) 346,500 5.7%
Standard Products Co. 247,160 4.0%
Rock-Ola Co. 228,500 3.7%

Total: 6,221,220

* Note that Saginaw had two plants in operation, one in Saginaw, MI and one in Grand Rapids, MI. The Grand Rapids facility assumed a contract that had been originally awarded to Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co....I-P had assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government.

**Note that a few early NPM receivers are marked "Rochester", for the Rochester Defence Corp. A very few late receivers are marked "CCC", for Commecial Controls Corp.

***Note that some Quality Hardware carbines were assembled using receivers made by Union Switch & Signal Co, hence the "UN-QUALITY" marked carbines. These are highly prized by some carbine aficionados.
I wanted to keep the Rock-Ola, because it is the rarest of the carbines, but I let my brother buy it instead. He's a professional musician, and having one made by the jukebox company meant a lot more to him than it did to me. I opted for the Standard Products (next rarest on the list)
by Vol Texan
Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:53 am
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"
Replies: 68
Views: 56703

Re: Pictures of your "Brown Guns"

Among other things, I picked these eight ladies up after Harvey hit here in Houston. A neighbor asked me if I'd help her sell her husband's guns - he'd passed away just a month before the hurricane hit, she wanted nothing to do with these after he was gone.

She offered to let me keep one of these M1 Carbines as a commission for helping out - and I chose the Standard Products as my own. I sold the Winchester, the RockOla, the National Postal Meter, and the IBM within the first month, and the Quality Hardware went this week. Only two more remain - an Underwood and a Saginal S'G'. Hopefully these will find a forever home soon enough.

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My only other wooden guns are a Python, a Ruger Super Redhawk, and an old Iver Johnson Model 1900 Target. I don't have a photo of that latter, but the other two are below.

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