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powerboatr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:37 pmif thats the case. then every person convicted of killing a person with a gun..can now blame the gun

I guess you haven't seen this trial then, right?

Chemist45 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:32 pmHere are some quotes from people in the industry:
George Clooney:“Every single time I’m handed a gun on the set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it too, I show it to the crew,” Clooney said. “Every single take.”

Nicholas Cage: It’s part of a movie star’s job to know how to safely use a gun, especially given that firearm violence figures so prominently in American film and TV shows.

Dean Cain: "Baldwin should have opened and checked the cylinder. Its standard safety protocol."

While I have no trouble believing that most actors and actresses really are too stupid to be trusted with the task, I do believe they can be taught. If they can memorize lines and scenes and blocking and such, they can be taught how to check a weapon.

I particularly agree with the sentiment expressed by Cage, but want to point out the problem with trusting actors is the way the other two expressed their opinions. Both Clooney and Cain said to do things that Baldwin could not do. I understand the sentiment they were expressing and the English shorthand used, but Clooney is talking about semi-automatic weapons and Cain is talking about double action revolvers. What Baldwin should have done is open the loading gate, pulled the hammer to half cock, and then slowly rotated the cylinder until he saw every chamber was empty.

And I would be extremely surprised if Baldwin was smart enough to know how to do that properly.

Rafe wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:24 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:44 am Hard to believe this came from CNN. Worth watching.

https://twitter.com/@twitter/status/1466752479580893184

Wow. You got that right! CNN posted that!? The mind boggles...

That was interesting. In at least one possible scenario he mentioned, I agree it could be what happened. It factually make it still a lie to say he did not pull the trigger, but he may not have realized it if he pulled the trigger as he drew before he cocked the hammer and let it go. This was the old west style known as fanning the pistol. Hold the trigger back and slap the hammer repeatedly, letting it go forward as the hand kept moving.

But I noted that the pistol he was demonstrating on was not the same style reportedly used by Baldwin. The pistol in the video had the firing pin on the hammer still. Supposedly, the one used by Baldwin was a more modern style and had the firing pin mounted in the frame and a flat surface on the face of the hammer. If the trigger is held back, a transfer bar is pushed forward to transfer the energy from the hammer to the firing pin. If the trigger is not held back, no firing pin motion occurs. That would rule out the accidental slip letting the hammer drop without the trigger being pulled.

Why do I have no trouble at all believing that Alec Baldwin really thinks the gun went off without his pulling the trigger? No one who knows anything about guns, even if it was just their toy guns from when they were kids, would believe that but I can believe Alec Baldwin does.

philip964 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:39 pmNews is very easy on Liberals.

Along those lines, has anyone noticed that all the news articles, even Fox news, refrain from saying that Baldwin shot her unless they are quoting someone like Trump. They all seem to like the phrase that Badlwin was holding a prop gun that somehow went off, as if there was a doubt about it. No, Baldwin was holding a real firearm that went off when he squeezed the trigger (well maybe he pulled or jerked it - I doubt he knows to squeeze it).

I could accept saying something like Baldwin inadvertently shot her, but saying the gun somehow went off is really irritating me.

Rafe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:50 amIn the spirit of irony and hypocrisy (how many rabidly anti-gun actors and directors, like Baldwin

Speaking of hypocrisy,, irony, and the rabidly anti-gun Baldwin, you missed one act that he deserves to be remembered for. Being anti-cop as well as anti-gun, in 2017 Baldwin tweeted about a police shooting that he "wondered how it felt to wrongfully kill someone." This was brought back up quickly with people retweeting it now and saying now he knows. On the police forums, it was also quickly pointed out that he was wrong and the officer was justified in that shooting.