I was always taught that it was legal to continue IF when the light turned red, had the car stopped, an officer could legally write the driver a ticket for failure to stop at the proper place. In other words, you can't have it both ways - the driver either must stop or is allowed to continue at the same point. And the ticket for failure to stop at the proper place has always been if any part of the vehicle is beyond the stop line if there is one or in the crosswalk or intersection if there is no stop line. This always seemed sensible to me.apvonkanel wrote:That's right, Pasadena is front bumper. I guess I don't remember which PD teaches "majority of the vehicle", but I remember thinking that it was a little foolish because it's so subjective.OldCurlyWolf wrote: Unless policy has changed, which is possible, Pasadena teaches in their academy that if the front bumper "Breaks the Plane of the intersection" before the light turns red, you have not run the red light.
In case you are wondering, BTDT with PPD. Former LEO. Many years ago.
If Deer Park is using a different standard, I would love to ask the officer this type of question on the stand.