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NotRPB wrote:

twomillenium wrote:What if, what if, what if.
If I must go somewhere that is 30.06 posted. I grab my handy hardwood cane, which I occasionally do need. With some Hipkido training and a lot of practice, at least I do not feel completely unarmed. It also helps you get through the airport, because I do not fly somewhere without my cane.

Not a cure, but definitely an option.

I too carry my hardwood cane, but but what if we take a ride for carrying a cane past a 30.06 sign???
Oh wait
30.06 applies to Handguns
and only to handguns carried under authority of a License to Carry

I have no license to carry my cane ... and it's not prohibited by law to carry without a license.... guess i won't worry about carrying that which is not illegal.
I seem to recall a Federal Law about Police araesting someone for something which i not illegal is a viloation of their cibil rights and the arrest cannot be made in good faith for that which is not illegal

Abraham wrote:rotor,

You posted: "If they want to keep rifles out they would need a "No Firearms" sign."

Does a sign like that hold the force of law?

I know if I don't see a 30.06 sign, but a sign with a pistol circled & slashed I can ignore it.

How is a "No firearms" sign different?

Does it carry the same weight of a 30.06 sign?

ScottDLS wrote:

Abraham wrote:rotor,

"Now if the sign said no firearms than trespass laws would apply."

Are you sure?

I'm thinking such signs can't be enforced by law, but it's an interesting point.

The sign would have to have the 30.06 language to ban handguns AND language indicating that entry was forbidden to persons carrying firearms, for 30.05 to potentially apply (to long guns)

Abraham wrote:rotor,

"Now if the sign said no firearms than trespass laws would apply."

Are you sure?

I'm thinking such signs can't be enforced by law, but it's an interesting point.

Abraham wrote:Thinking about the "rifle/30.06 loophole" I also wonder what would happen if you had to defend yourself against a criminal/terrorist say in a hospital.

If you have to shoot in self defense are you going to be prosecuted for using a firearm in a 30.06 location?
You used a rifle, right, I get it, but they posted 30.06 to keep firearms at bay. Now, I can see some overzealous anti-gun prosecutor going for the jugular.

Unlikely?

Hhhhmmmmm, maybe or not...

Abraham wrote:TAM,

I posted: "Am I the only one to think if one is discovered by a LE officer (unlikely, but certainly not impossible) with a sub2K (or something similar) in a 30.06 posted location one might be taking "The Ride"?"

"Unlikely, but certainly not impossible" is of course what I hoped would also be noticed.

Murphy's law has a way of making events that seem impossible or close to it, possible...

That being said, I'm interested in knowing the opinions/possible outcome of what is likely to transpire "if" one is discovered by LE to be concealed carrying a Sub2k or similar rifle in a 30.06 posted location?

Nothing?

Have the Sub2K seized with a giant hassle getting it returned?

Be escorted out of the building with no further ramification.

Take the ride?

Or...?

Why do I ask?

Because I'm considering doing what you and some others are doing if I buy a Sub2k i.e., taking it with me in a computer bag/briefcase into 30.06 locations - but only if I know in advance what will happen (chances are remote, but again, not impossible) if I'm discovered with a firearm in a 30.06 posted location. (yes, a Sukb2000 is not a handgun, but is a firearm)

The ill informed or overzealous LE officer may not take my possession of a concealed firearm in a 30.06 location very kindly or act within the law. He doesn't know me. I could be a lone nut case out to do harm...

With a lawyer, much expense and time, I'll probably be exonerated, but is that something I want to face if things go south?

You think the chance of being discovered concealed carrying a rifle in a 30.06 location is very close to nil, but I have to think you aren't 100% certain absolutely nothing negative would happen to you if the long arm of the law were to discover Mr. Harmless Grandpa is packing heat...yes, it's a rifle, not a handgun, but it may also create major hassle if discovered.

Jusme,

Just as 30.06 locations are being posted with signs at inappropriate governmental locations while these governmental employees simultaneously thumb their nose at our AG, so too can there be overzealous LE officers taking inappropriate measures.

One of the major considerations I see with you and TAM is the thinking that says no LE officer would have reason to check your bag. OK, why would it be a concern if they did? Why bother considering if it's of no consequence?

Because the trouble you can't get in, you're concealed carrying a rifle, not a handgun, may just occur...

1911 10MM wrote:
I disagree. Both basically say no guns. If you want to interpret it to just mean handguns that is fine, I am sure your lawyer will gladly accept your payment to defend you when you take the ride. Bottom line is regardless of what is pictured both mean no firearms at all. This is just my .02

1911 10MM wrote:

NotRPB wrote:

1911 10MM wrote:

NotRPB wrote:I think I paid aboput $550 for my Glock 19 style Gen 2 Sub2000 last year, and It's been in MANY St Davids Hospitals, Clinics, Austin area Cancer Centers and Seton Hospitals which were all posted 30.07 and 30.06 (so I left the Glock handgun in the car) this last year while I was caretaker for my uncle.
Made a trip to Lubbock (For the funeral) with the sub2k, between Nov 29th and Dec 8th too, in a 16.1" laptop bag along with spare mags, 2 Laptops. 1 tablet 3 phones and chargers, two Kimber Pepper sprayers, 2 folding knives, and 3 dog pepper sprays the Post office uses.. all in the 16" laptop case.

I just put the 32 round Glock mag in the Sub2000 and have a couple spare Glock 17 mags with +3 PierceGrip baseplates for extra 20 rounds each in the laptop case if that runs dry.

Obviously I have to leave my Glock 26 - 10 round handgun in the car I usually carry everywhere ... because ... signs ... it's the law you know, and I obey. I carry more ammo into the OSTENSIBLY "Gun-Free" areas which post 30.07+30.06 to keep ONLY licensees handguns out because "soft target" areas attract lunatic mass shooters/robbers and other criminals, so I carry extra ammo in those locations.

(Edited to correct typo, Mine is Gen 2 not Gen 3)

Most places that have 30.06 and 30.07 also have a no firearms or gunbuster sign. I don't believe you can carry past those as they have effectively forbidden all firearms.

The places I mentioned had no noticeable gunbuster signs, which have no force of law, and I didn't even see any applicable HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE sign, nor any 30.05 Penal Code signs, nor Sec. 46 Penal Code signs, but did have tobacco products prohibited and no smoking signs, I quit smoking on Thanksgiving 2011, so I'm good.

I believe gunbuster signs do have force of law where rifles are concerned.