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by K.Mooneyham
Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:06 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks
Replies: 31
Views: 7346

Re: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks

ninjabread wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:
ninjabread wrote:What if somebody in Colorado buys weed and the DEA comes along and seizes it? Should the DEA have to reimburse them? What if they say, "Bruh, I thought it was legal in Colorado." Does that mean they can't be prosecuted unless the DEA can prove that the buyer KNEW it was illegal?
I don't think you can equate guns and weed. Guns, in and of themselves, are not illegal. Weed, at the Federal level, is illegal.
It is illegal at the Federal level for a felon or other prohibited person to possess a firearm. I don't see why Federal law enforcement should be able to seize illegally possessed marijuana without compensation but not do the same with illegally possessed firearms.
The difference is in the items themselves. Again, weed is illegal at the Federal level, for individuals to have, in and of itself, regardless of the person being previously adjudicated a felon or not. Firearms are NOT illegal at a Federal level for individuals to have, in and of themselves. The adjudicated actions of the individual make it illegal for them to have a firearm. If the individual in question has been adjudicated a felon, and the firearm is seized, then that would be acceptable. If they have not been adjudicated a felon, it may not be acceptable. So, I maintain that there is a difference between the two.
by K.Mooneyham
Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:42 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks
Replies: 31
Views: 7346

Re: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks

ninjabread wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:Unless they can prove that the buyer KNEW he was ineligible, the system might have failed, but he committed no crime that I’m aware of. The upshot is that, in my opinion, you can’t just seize something without compensation, when that thing was purchased in good faith. If gov’t is going to seize a gun that I bought in good faith, not knowing I was ineligible, then I expect the gov’t to refund the entire cost to me of buying that gun, including sales tax paid. Otherwise, it’s a taking, which is unconstitutional.....not to mention ain’t right.
What if the gun you bought was stolen? Does the government have to refund your money when they take it?

What if somebody in Colorado buys weed and the DEA comes along and seizes it? Should the DEA have to reimburse them? What if they say, "Bruh, I thought it was legal in Colorado." Does that mean they can't be prosecuted unless the DEA can prove that the buyer KNEW it was illegal?
I don't think you can equate guns and weed. Guns, in and of themselves, are not illegal. Weed, at the Federal level, is illegal.
by K.Mooneyham
Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks
Replies: 31
Views: 7346

Re: Fed to seize guns from people who failed background checks

Note that the ATF is quoted as saying they didn't pursue one buyer whose background check subsequently failed because they "lacked resources." Hog. Wash. They simply decided other things were more important.
Yeah, I agree, I'm sure they had other priorities. Things like "Fast and Furious" gun-walking and the botched "sting" operation in Milwaukee. How much money/resources were wasted during those debacles? How much other stuff just like those two that never came to light? How much money does the ATF waste instead of using it to take violent felons off the streets?

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