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by twomillenium
Thu May 17, 2018 1:01 pm
Forum: Holsters & Accessories
Topic: Medical accessories
Replies: 30
Views: 5118

Re: Medical accessories

I would rather Randy Rescue try to help than be a Willie Watchembleedout be present if I were the victim. The most ill-considerate thing to do is to watch someone bleed out.

The OP is about the ability or the willingness to render aid to someone who just tried to take your life.

I carry first aid kit that includes gunshot trauma kit. I do not consider myself an expert and don't train frequently, I have more training than the average citizen does. (I do keep CPR training updated) Over the years, I have been involved in two life threatening responses and I believe it made a difference until the ambulance arrived. I just participated in a Stop the Bleed training. I would do the best I could rather than watch someone bleed out.
I remember many years ago someone saying that a person was sued because the victim lost his leg due to tourniquet application. The courts ruled it was better to lose a leg than be buried with two.
I have heard of getting sued for using force an attacker, but I have not heard of a successful lawsuit once it has been established that the amount of force used was justified. (I am sure there is one...... maybe)

BTW, unless you are active military you are a "civvie". My Opinion Is: If one thinks different then that one is part of the problem. (yeah I know what opinions are like and I have one of those too)

I honestly do not know what my reaction would be if it were an attacker that lethal force had to be used to stop the attack. A victim probably has a different reaction and thought process than someone who happens onto the event. I pray that it would be the right thing.
by twomillenium
Wed May 02, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: Holsters & Accessories
Topic: Medical accessories
Replies: 30
Views: 5118

Re: Medical accessories

PriestTheRunner wrote:Yes, we have a good Samaritan law on the books, that covers quite a bit actually. The real problem is either a overly-aggressive prosecution attorney or the eventual civil suit. Some examples of twisted logic they could use to ruse a jury... :
1. If you rendered aid to a guy that you say was trying to kill you, were you really in fear for your life?...
Yes, I was until they went down in a manner that stopped the threat.
PriestTheRunner wrote:2. Did you just render aid to try and fix a mistake you made shooting him?....
It was HIS mistake to threaten my life with HIS actions, I did not make a mistake by defending myself.
PriestTheRunner wrote:3. Are you a medical professional? Your 'aid' caused an infection with that QuickClot gauze you inserted into his body, causing him pain. You owe him for that.
That "aid" saved his life. The pain was caused by HIS poor choice to attack me with actions that threatened my life.
PriestTheRunner wrote:4. If you were afraid for your life, and you rendered aid and he recovered, would you fear for your life and shoot him again?...
Only if HE tried to attack and threaten my life again.
PriestTheRunner wrote:5. If you didn't want him to die, why did you shoot him three times?...
Cuz, it took three times to stop the threat....... or...... I only had three bullets?
PriestTheRunner wrote:6. If you didn't want him to die, why did you shoot him in the head?...
In the extreme fear for my life that HE caused when HE attacked me, my accuracy was off. I was trying to hit center mass to stop the threat.


PriestTheRunner wrote:Hopyfully a wise jury would see through the bull, but things get nasty in the courtroom. No one is your friend in our system. And remember, the jury of your so-called "peers" has been hand selected by the attorneys. They can pick the most liberal, sweetheart, 'all lives matter and are important', imbecilic persons that show up, and you have to work with that jury of 6 (or twelve, depending on civil vs criminal). Though the odds may still be in your favor in a 'good shoot' scenario, are you willing to take those risks?

Personally, I will be calling the ambulance and police, hanging up, checking on my family and holding the threat at gunpoint until law enforcement arrive and control the scene. I would re-conceal when the first LEO car pulls up (just for a bit of added safety). But otherwise, my aid for the guy who was just a lethal threat ends when I hang up the phone calling the ambulance.
I completely agree :iagree:
by twomillenium
Wed May 02, 2018 9:53 am
Forum: Holsters & Accessories
Topic: Medical accessories
Replies: 30
Views: 5118

Re: Medical accessories

Great thought provoking question! Like mentioned above, I am not sure I would feel safe getting too close to the conscious perv that just tried to take my life and then even if he is unconscious, I would still be concentrating to any accomplices they may or may not have. 911 would definitely be called in all cases (hopefully that suffices the legal obligations) but other than that it would be case by case. (I hope I never have to find out)

I agree with TAM, after giving 911 info and location hang-up and don't answer back unless YOU need to. 911 has no authority over you, they are trained to keep you on line and to listen to what is going on in background not necessarily the caller. In some cases this is good but not all cases. BTW, some 911 systems have the ability to record you before they answer and while their phone is still ringing.

I have first aid bags in each vehicle. A medic friend helped my put together. On one side, it is for common uh-ohs and booboos they have different bandages, gauzes, ointments, instant cold presses, tweezer,scissors, Ammonia inhalants, insect and bee sting applicator, etc..... On the other side (extreme trauma)they have the CAT 6's, Israeli bandages, Quick clot gauze packs, Celox packs, moldable splints, chest seals etc..... Of course each side has alcohol swabs, gloves, tape and the like that would be needed for almost level of injury. It is surprising how much can fit into a seemingly medium size bag. These bags are on the seat of my vehicle anytime I go to a range. On my person at the range I have an IFAK that has a CAT6, Quick Clot, gloves band-aids (seems like several time a year a student will need a bandage on their weak side thumb knuckle, I tell them but some folks only learn by their own experience)
I do try to stay updated with CPR and basic first aid. I probably am not real proficient with all the stuff in the bag as some folks might be, but more than most, but it is there just in case. Always looking to improve.

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