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Lambda Force wrote:The only confusion I have is what's in CSHB1911. The text still hasn't been posted. Is this one of those bills we have to pass to find out what's in it?

No, the final text of the committee substitute will be available online before it ever makes it to the house floor for its second reading or a vote. According to one article I read, they are being extra careful about preparing the committee report to avoid a point of order being raised on the house floor and derailing the bill as happened last session with campus carry. In politics and law, patience is a virtue.

Russell wrote:It's my understanding that the police unions and groups have consistently responded in a manner similar to:

* Concealed carry introduced in Texas - PANIC! Blood in the streets! We won't know who the bad guys and good guys are!
- Nothing more than FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt)

* Motorist Protection Act introduced in Texas - PANIC! Wild west shoot outs over parking spaces! We can't trust the public!!!
- Billy the kid hasn't yet gone a rampage on 99. Smooth sailing...

* Open Carry introduced in Texas - PANIC! We won't know who the bad guys and good guys are! Officers will pay the ultimate price!!
- No deaths caused by openly carrying. How strange....



So far they are 0 for 3. How long will the legislature continue to entertain their blustering and nonsense on every single 2a-friendly bill?

It's about time they take a look at themselves in the mirror and realize they are consistently on the wrong side of the argument.

Same with MDA (which is NOT an anti-gun organization ), Everytown for Gun Safety, Raul Camacho...

powerboatr wrote:sorry if this has been addressed,
but i just spent an hr reading the hb 1911 at tlo.
am i correct to understand churches will be a no carry place?
thanks

What is currently on TLO is the bill as introduced, which may or may not have any relation to the Committee Substitute HB 1911. In the introduced bill, churches would be off limits if you are provided effective notice under PC 30.06 or 30.07. Both of those signs would have been changed to apply to licensed and unlicensed concealed and open carry.

Be sure to read 46.035(i) which states:

"(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06 or 30.07."

(b)(4) = Hospitals
(b)(5) = Amusement Parks
(b)(6) = Places of worship
(c) = Government meetings subject to open meetings requirements

G.A. Heath wrote:

Flightmare wrote:My interpretation is that 30.08 signs will be added to restrict unlicensed carry.

You are correct if what I was sent is accurate, which seems to be supported by the Press Release. The language used in what I was sent is

"Pursuant to Section 30.08, Penal Code (trespass by person not licensed to carry handgun), a person who does not hold a license to carry a handgun may not enter this property with a handgun"

Hmmm... So now the sign vendors are going to say, "hey if you want to keep those crazy unlicensed handgun carriers out of your place of business, you need to buy this sign. For the low up-sell of $X more, I'll throw in these other two signs as well. Just place them in your front window and you are good to go!"

I sense another proliferation of 30.06 AND 30.07 signs coming if 30.08 hits the books. In my experience, contrary to some of the assertions on this board, the up-tick in 30.06 and 30.07 signs has not been short lived. I'm getting 2-3 e-mails per day of NEW businesses posting, and I'm not seeing many signs come down.

It would be interesting to see what kinds of statistics Russell has on the numbers of businesses and the following combinations:
Pre-Jan 1, 2016
30.06 ONLY

Jan 1, 2016 to Unlicensed Carry Legal Date
30.06 ONLY
30.07 ONLY
30.06 AND 30.07

(Assuming it happens...)
Post Unlicensed Legal Carry Date
30.06 ONLY
30.07 ONLY
30.08 ONLY
30.06 AND 30.07
30.06 AND 30.08
30.07 AND 30.08
30.06 AND 30.07 AND 30.08

I doubt we would see many 30.06/7 signs replaced by 30.08 and I would be willing to bet we see a lot more 30.06/7 signs go up, joined by 30.08.