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flintknapper wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:42 am K.Mooneyham wrote:

Where did that Police Officer's Creed come from?

The first was posted on this forum some years ago by a forum member (then in Academy) stating it was read to them.

I have spoken with some of the LEO I know in the College Town I live next to and they confirm that various versions of 'Police Survival Creeds/Warrior Creeds' were presented to them while in Academy. No doubt as part of their training and in addendum to a more 'public service' creed...of which there are many variations.

Also, where did the other creed come from, and who uses that one?

The second was pointed out to me by an officer (retired now) that used to come into my place of employment (before I retired). We used to talk about different aspects of police work and he related certain 'changes' in the way things are done today compared to when he was on patrol. Some things...he liked...others he did not.



You can google Police Creeds, Survival Creeds, Warrior Creeds and read to your heart's content. WHO uses them (or others) is anyone's guess, training literature (beyond the basics) and the 'attitude' each Cadet leaves with...I am sure varies.

For certain...these are more dangerous times for LEO than in the past. The reasons for this are many, but I wish things could be more like they were when I was younger and there was still a 'connection' between LEO and the citizenry.

A subtle but significant shift is the change in title of the officers themselves - Law Enforcement Officer rather than Peace Officer or Police Officer. It is a shift from "protect and serve the community" (more peaceful in my opinion) to "enforcement of law" (more militaristic/forceful, conjures up the image of an enforcer or strong-arm to force compliance). Words have power and unfortunately with the new way we refer to officers, it has a tendency to draw some of those who only know or want to use force as an option.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:57 am

WildBill wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:55 am

bbhack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:39 am The sound bite I'm hearing has the jury foreman saying "No outbursts" after the verdict was read. Since when does the jury foreman control the courtroom? This is outrageous.

I read that it was a bailiff who made that statement.

That makes a heck of alot more sense.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/amber- ... index.html
30s into the video above is where the verdict is read. Multiple responses to the outbursts, but pretty sure the judge is the one stating, "No outbursts".

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:48 am

bbhack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:39 am The sound bite I'm hearing has the jury foreman saying "No outbursts" after the verdict was read. Since when does the jury foreman control the courtroom? This is outrageous.

Are you sure it's the jury foreman saying that? The sound bite I heard must have cut out before that.

Definitely a bit presumptuous, but I'm not sure I'd say "outrageous". I'll save my outrage for more substantive things.

Pretty sure it was the judge who was reading the jury's verdict who responded with "No outbursts".

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:51 pm

AndyC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:41 pm I'm predicting - Guilty, Manslaughter.

I really don't care about her job, about the difference between a home or a rented apartment.... she negligently killed an innocent person inside their own place - period.

If I were on that jury I would go with man slaughter and a light sentence of which at least 18 months in prison and a very long parole. Her job is gone. She will need to find a more appropriate career that suites her abilities. Being a cop was not her strength. She proved that already.

Manslaughter is a second degree felony:

Texas Penal Code wrote:Sec. 12.33. SECOND DEGREE FELONY PUNISHMENT.
(a) An individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for any term of not more than 20 years or less than 2 years.

(b) In addition to imprisonment, an individual adjudged guilty of a felony of the second degree may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000.

If she is convicted, I would probably judge on the lower end of the spectrum for prison time (probably 5 years). Her life is already pretty well ruined by this point and sticking her in prison for a LONG time does nobody any good. She can't be a police officer any more and having a felony conviction can make it quite hard to find jobs.

The question I have to ask is, what would I be facing if I had made the same mistake... Probably a MUCH stiffer sentence.

Officer will be charged with manslaughter.

https://www.statesman.com/news/dallas-o ... IswELRk1N/