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philip964 wrote:

WTR wrote:

philip964 wrote:Every story is different. Did she physically attempt to stop the officer from drawing blood or did she refused to draw blood?

Who cares. The patient had been omitted to the hospital and was under hospital care. The Officer had no right to preform or demand a blood draw. This Officer ( or two) should be fired.

To me there is a difference.

A police officer tries to open my car trunk after he asks permission for me to open my trunk and I tell him respectfully that, no he does not have probably cause to search my trunk and no he does not have my consent. Do I now have the authority to forcibly stop him from violating my constitutional rights against unreasonable searches, using force if necessary? Did the nurse simply say no I will not draw the blood, or did she move and block his path to the patient and say you may not draw his blood?

The simple act of drawing blood would have not harmed the patient. If it would have she would have said so.

That's not necessarily true. He was a burn patient. Not just a patient. Medical procedures should only be done on patients for the benefit the patient, not the state.

The patient was unconscious. He was therefore the responsibility of the medical professionals, not the police. Unconsciousness is no joke.

The officer did not meet any of the conditions required for drawing the blood and she showed him that.

There is no law there from what I understand that would have allowed him to draw the blood himself under those circunstances. And to think his "training" included considerations of burn patients is a stretch at best. I was just a Special Forces Medic, not a doctor, but I can assure you nobody layed a hand on my patients unless it was to improve their medical condition.

When asked by his fellow officer why they just didn't get a warrant, he replied "They don't have PC." He also said he had been told to arrest her.

This was a set up attempt at humbling and it blew up in their faces.

If he had been drawing the blood and the patient had died, would he have accepted even part of the blame?

He dragged a nurse out if an ER. Her house, in front of her superiors, peers and patients. Then he handcuffed her and put her in a corner to learn her lesson. Did he go back in and draw the blood himself? No. Why not?

I wonder how he'd like getting manhandled and zipped up in his house in front of his shift supervisor and junior officers and a bunch of prisoners?

You can't take back intimidation and humiliation. It doesn't work that way.

9.23 The chief didn't like "This was not a just arrest..."

carlson1 wrote:Wow he was promoted to "detective." Seriously.

I think he was already a detective.

puma guy wrote: It was also disturbing to me when he was telling her in effect if we're wrong we can clear it up through civil action. That would be so comforting to me if I was treated in the manner she was. That the PD is only now investigating and taking some action is evidence to me they were going to do nothing except take Payne off hospital duty and reacted only after the video came out. I hate this sort of thing because it gives those who dislike our police ammunition to criticize our men and women of law enforcement.

Good catch. Yes, that is disturbing.

How do you undo intimidation and humiliation?

My question always is, "How would the officer like it if somebody treated him that way in his house in front of his superiors, peers and the public?"

I'm a put the shoe on the other foot guy.

flechero wrote:I was amazed when the "supervisor" argued with her and kept on with the same line the officer was using- "we need it" to do our job. Did anyone hear his comment - something like "you people are always doing this, asking for warrants" I guess there is a history of Police abuse in that town and no wonder the office is such a jack-wagon, he was trained by the sr. jack-wagon!

Hey, why not wake up the judge or get the electronic warrant? Would have taken less time than the video....


Every one of the LEO's on site should have been relieved of their duty.

If you watch the 19 minute video one officer asks that very question. The one that arrested her says "They don't have PC."

This was an intended humbling as part of an ongoing issue between the PD and the hospital. Everything is in the long video.

The Lieutenant is now in hot water as well. As he should be.

The Annoyed Man wrote: That nurse is one of my new heroes. She is handling it EXACTLY the right way.

Agreed. Good woman.

You guys warm my heart. You're all fine Texans who really and truly get it.